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    Posted: October 14 2016 at 05:51
I've spun the album, on dvd and cd, a couple of times and came up with some surprising results.

Here's my blog review, written as a casual fan and writing for a diverse readership, and hopefully it'll address some of the more obvious queries from folk wanting a quick and basic overview on whether this new edition is worth getting hold of:

https://momentstransition.wordpress.com/2016/10/14/yes-tales-from-topographic-oceans-1973/

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http://momentstransition.wordpress.com/2016/10/14/yes-tales-from-topographic-oceans-1973/
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Interesting read but I would have like more detail on what's actually different. I'm really looking forward to hearing this.


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Hi Chopper. Thanks for taking the time to read the piece. Sorry it wasn't detailed enough for you. I figured I'd go for a broad overview as my readers are not all prog fans but I'm trying to encourage them. The thing is that prog forums will have Yes fans who know way more detail on this album than my humble self and I don't want to tread on sensitive toes.
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Originally posted by Valen Valen wrote:

Hi Chopper. Thanks for taking the time to read the piece. Sorry it wasn't detailed enough for you. I figured I'd go for a broad overview as my readers are not all prog fans but I'm trying to encourage them. The thing is that prog forums will have Yes fans who know way more detail on this album than my humble self and I don't want to tread on sensitive toes.
It's fine, I just want to know what the new stuff you can hear is!
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The only problem with TFTO in my opinion was corrected: the timbre of Howeīs guitar in the opening of Ancient. I like Ancient, but that timbre was a little harsh, almost irritanting. Now itīs comfortable, less acute, and the bass is more marked. Ancient sounds more celestial than ever.
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But "Remembering" is still my favorite prog song of all - my favorite song of all . This song make me feel a happy melancholy -- that slow opening make me miss something I don't know what it is, other lifes, like magic. So underrated.  


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Two concurrent threads going on TFTO? Really.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two concurrent threads going on TFTO? Really.

Yes, TFTO is a BIG, FAT beast. It requires many topics to fullfill itīs redundantly vast complexion  
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Originally posted by Devoncir Devoncir wrote:

Yes, TFTO is a BIG, FAT beast. It requires many topics to fullfill itīs redundantly vast complexion  


Agreed ! Thumbs Up

But what about the Mix?
I'm considering if it's worth buying ...
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Originally posted by Devoncir Devoncir wrote:

Yes, TFTO is a BIG, FAT beast. It requires many topics to fullfill itīs redundantly vast complexion  


Agreed ! Thumbs Up

But what about the Mix?
I'm considering if it's worth buying ...

I think the song that enhanced more was Ancient - sligltly softer guitar timbre, less "harsh" -- something that used to bother me in the original. Vocals and bass are clearer. There are arrangements all over that I haven't heard before. great job
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Does the Steven Wilson remaster also have the 2 minute ambient soundscape at the start of The Revealing Science of God or was that exclusively on the Rhino remaster?
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' brigado, Reinaldo

Gonna search if available to download in HiRes (or at least lossless FLAC), it's my prefered format these days -  though usually a bit more expensive.
The 2013 Rhino remaster is available at 20$ on HDTracks (HiRes), let's see what I can find online



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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Does the Steven Wilson remaster also have the 2 minute ambient soundscape at the start of The Revealing Science of God or was that exclusively on the Rhino remaster?


See if this answers your question (from Burning Shed site) :

"A suitable source file for the "studio run-through" of "Dance of the Dawn" from the Rhino 2003 remaster couldn't be found. Panegyric opted instead to include the better sounding "Dance of the Dawn" final mix from the same edition."

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The main SW remix version does not include the intro. Both bonus versions of TRSoG, under the title "Dance of the Dawn," are the full track with the intro included.
Buy this thing!
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^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?
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*hiss* has that man nothing better to do.. like have a life...  leave our sacred cows alone...

^ get the Rhino remaster man....  for myself I have zero interest in hearing what SWilson did with the album.  That is like having some urban graffiti artist try to improve a Rubens painting...  it ain't happening man...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

*hiss* has that man nothing better to do.. like have a life...  leave our sacred cows alone...

^ get the Rhino remaster man....  for myself I have zero interest in hearing what SWilson did with the album.  That is like having some urban graffiti artist try to improve a Rubens painting...  it ain't happening man...

After all, you may have some taste Wink

Jokes aside, you are absolutely correct here. 

Seriously, the original analog recording (vinyl/tape) have it all, I wouldnīt change a single note. Nobody can make them better, itīs just a digital fantasy. Itīs nothing but Wilsonīs fantasy, and Iīm not interested in othersī fantasies about my for decades beloved music. Why on earth should I.

And decent analog is always better than any digital format IME.


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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.


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Originally posted by Son.of.Tiresias Son.of.Tiresias wrote:

Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.

I already have the original vinyl copy and a good analog setup; I just hardly ever play it (or any of my vinyl) because I prefer the convenience of digital. I personally have no problem with digital sound quality, and it's nice being able to put the album on in the car, at friends' houses, etc. 
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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Originally posted by Son.of.Tiresias Son.of.Tiresias wrote:

Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.

I already have the original vinyl copy and a good analog setup; I just hardly ever play it (or any of my vinyl) because I prefer the convenience of digital. I personally have no problem with digital sound quality, and it's nice being able to put the album on in the car, at friends' houses, etc. 

Iīm glad you like your way, Wanderer. I play vinyl practically every day. A few years ago I recorded my original UK copy to a crome tape and I played it once. Just a year ago I started to listening to it in my car when driving to work and back home, and started to get into very seriously. Played almost every time, fort and back... five-six times maybe... Suddenly I realized its greatness. In a noisy car. It was madness I admit (grin). After all these decades. What a fool I had been ! I simply never had the time to really focus on listening, just a side one day, the other next... Yes ! Heureka ! Better late than never. And boy it was worth. I was in trance when I arrived home. Believe or not but itīs absolutely true Wink 


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Unfortunatley it is the last release. Other multi track tapes are missing at the present.
We were really waiting for Drama and 90125.
Maybe they'll find the reels on a shelf someday...
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