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Points: 15253 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2016 at 22:51
^ i suggested it to the PSIKE team but doesn't seem like they are on board with it, so i would advise trying to woo one of our honorable admins to see if he could be deemed worthy of a prog related inclusion. 
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Or woo a special collaborator who supports it. Just be aware of the usual protocols:

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Points: 1505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2016 at 21:10
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i suggested it to the PSIKE team but doesn't seem like they are on board with it, so i would advise trying to woo one of our honorable admins to see if he could be deemed worthy of a prog related inclusion. 
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I don't think so.

His music is pure New Age and had no influence on Prog.
But.............It's the Adm Team call


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I don't think so.

His music is pure New Age and had no influence on Prog.
Is New Age really that different than progressive music? I've seen tons of similarities between the two. And like Dean says:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The "New Age" tag is pure bollocks. It was used in the Mid-80s and early 90s as a cynical marketing tool for many symphonic rock albums because calling them symphonic Prog would have been commercial suicide. Many of them bear little resemblance to the dire relaxation and meditation, and whale-song discs that also got tagged "New Age"

His (symphonic prog) album Dream is excellent and there is nothing "New Age" about this track:




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^ I fully agree with Dean's sentiments - though the majority of folk most like likely bracket Kitaro in with Yanni.
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Any progress on this topic ??
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I agree. It seems we've gone a bit silent. 
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He's currently one of the one hundred artists in our chart.
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Wonderful! Does that mean he is being considered or is on a list of bands to be added?
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He's in
And nice work from Aussie Byrd too !!
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Points: 1127 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2017 at 04:26
Ok then...

Last year I posted a topic (which I cannot find anymore BTW Ouch) where I wondered why Vangelis, Jarre and Synergy weren't in Progressive Electronic, with developed argumentation for each one.

IHMO, if Kitaro is now listed in PE, the 3 aforementioned artists are much more innovative and adventurous, and therefore naturally deserved to be moved from prog-related to PE... Wink
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^ Kitaro was added on account of his first few albums, where the Berlin School influences are clearer.
I'm a big fan of Jarre, and Oxygène is a very important album for me, but I don't think his work matches the definition of PE. Some of his songs are closer to it though.
The problem with Vangelis is where exactly to put him, he explored so much musical genres in his career that it's impossible to pick a single Prog sub-genre. Maybe if the genre per album feature is added to the site?
Synergy is even further from PE, in my opinion.
But is it really important, considering these three are here already?


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Yep, Vangelis crosses over into WAAAAAAAY too many styles to be purely listed as Prog-Electronic - ambient, electronic, synth/pop, experimental/avant-garde (`Beaubourg'), he's even done kind of Krautrock (`The Dragon') and jazz albums (`Hypothesis').
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I'm a big fan of Jarre, and Oxygène is a very important album for me, but I don't think his work matches the definition of PE. Some of his songs are closer to it though.
The problem with Vangelis is where exactly to put him, he explored so much musical genres in his career that it's impossible to pick a single Prog sub-genre. Maybe if the genre per album feature is added to the site?
Synergy is even further from PE, in my opinion.
But is it really important, considering these three are here already?

I see a problem:

The website visitor just wanting to discover the progressive electronic genre (like many of us before), will browse the site's "Top 100 Progressive Electronic Albums" page. And important records of the genre (IMHO) such as Jarre's Oxygen, Vangelis' Albedo 0.39 and, to a lesser extent, Synergy's Cords won't be listed here...


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Points: 10232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2017 at 05:59
^ I think it's more probable someone discovering the PE genre after finding Jarre and Vangelis on PR Tongue Anyway, I still think the genre by album is the best solution.
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Points: 1127 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2017 at 06:13
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

^ I think it's more probable someone discovering the PE genre after finding Jarre and Vangelis on PR Tongue

I don't think so.
Someone interested in electronic music will look at PE first.


Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Anyway, I still think the genre by album is the best solution.

Yes, as on MMA and JMA.
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Points: 4671 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2017 at 22:14
I have the first two Synergy albums and I don't understand why they are not fit for PE.  Explain please?
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Points: 1127 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2017 at 22:59
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I have the first two Synergy albums and I don't understand why they are not fit for PE.  Explain please?


I agree too.

For me, Synergy's approach is more adventurous than Kitaro's :

- His music is always changing, constantly evolving through a variety of ambiances (spacey, threatening, and even joyful...), nearly unpredictable, resembling no other at the time.

- Albums such as Cords and Games pre-dates 80's video-games music and has certainly influenced the chip-tune scene.

- He tried computer-generated music with his albums Computer Experiments (not his best ones, but the intention was here)

For these reasons, he built his own path and a new musical micro-universe, and therefore made electronic music "progress".


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He was one of my idols as a teenager, I don't listen to him often nowadays though
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