White lights or coloured?

I understand what you mean. I thought danbo's story added well to it. setting us in our place at using that picture.

I quoted the photoghraph, with a little remark. I thought the pic. to be little over the edge myself. I shouldn't have quoted it..

I will delete it. with my apologies to all who took offence.

Outside it is blue and green
And everything once blurred is clear
I am part of the peripheral scene
That shines like cathedral glass

The sun breathes against the window
But its warmth just fades away
The humming road whispers low

(Kull/Weston)

I am sorry Danbo...you know I like ya, but I find nothing amusing about racism.

Maybe I should start an Amos and Andy thread for kicks.

If there were any black proggers , they're running for the door about now!!

Any discrimination based simply on race or color is barbarous, we care not how hallowed it be by custom, expedience, or prejudice.

I'm really not such an idiot that I don't realize that if a man calls me a nigger, it's his fault the first time, but mine if he has the opportunity to do it again.
Nella Larsen (1891 - 1964)
US novelist, nurse, and librarian.

It must be realized that racism is more serious than sexism. Black people are often killed for no reason other than they are Black. Racism is to sexism what cancer is to a toothache.

Racism is an ism to which everyone in the world today is exposed; for or against, we must take sides. And the history of the future will differ accordingly to the decision which we make.

Spain fined for racist chanting

Ashley Cole was subjected to abuse from the Spanish crowd Fifa has fined the Spanish Football Federation £44,750 after several England players were racially abused during last month's friendly in Madrid. England duo Shaun Wright-Phillips and Ashley Cole were the prime victims during the game on 17 November. Fifa's disciplinary panel also took into account the racist abuse which surfaced the previous night at the Under-21 game between the two nations. Spain were also warned that any repeat would result in heavier punishment. In a statement, Fifa stated that Spain could face the prospect of playing behind closed doors or possible expulsion from one or several of their competitions. We would have expected for the Spanish to be forced to play behind closed doors and warned about any incidents of racism at future games Kick It Out's Piara Powar But anti-racism campaign group Kick It Out feels the punishment does not go far enough. "Our immediate reaction is this judgment doesn't go far enough," said Piara Powar, the group's director and spokesman. "We would have expected for the Spanish to be forced to play behind closed doors and warned about any incidents of racism at future games." Fifa had vowed in their statement that "the Spanish football association or their relevant representative team may be forced to play behind closed doors or face exclusion from Fifa competitions if these offences are repeated". But Powar insisted: "That cuts little ice. This is no worse than a slap on the wrist. "We are talking about one of the major European football nations here. This is not an impoverished football association. The Spanish FA have been given a yellow card, not the red that many would have expected PFA chief Gordon Taylor They could afford a heavier fine, they should have been made to play behind closed doors, which as a footballing nation is the worst that can happen. It kills the atmosphere and revenue is lost. "The chanting that night was deeply offensive and demeans human beings. "This is simply not good enough by Fifa. It shows some governing bodies do not have a concerted approach to dealing with racism." Gordon Taylor, chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association, admitted he was surprised at how lenient the punishment was. "I think the general feeling in England will be one that the sanction is far too lenient, and I would be one of those who thinks that way," he said. "The Spanish FA have been given a yellow card, not the red that many would have expected. "But a point has been made by Fifa. The Spanish FA may consider themselves to have been lightly treated and they have an opportunity to get their house in order." Call me a cynic, but this hardly sends a message about Fifa's determination to stamp out racism From bvlc Have your say on 606 The English FA were not as critical as either Powar or Taylor but hinted they were disappointed with the punishment. "The FA stated very clearly that it was ultimately Fifa's responsibility to determine what disciplinary action should be taken," said a statement. "The FA must accept Fifa's decision to fine the Spanish FA £44,750. "The FA is firmly committed to fighting racism in football at all levels of the game. "We will continue to adopt a zero tolerance approach to any racist behaviour in English football and whenever any of our teams play abroad. "Racism is the scourge of the game and it is the responsibility of all who care about football to do everything within their power to eradicate it."

Reed Lover wrote: [QUOTE=threefates Its not in Main Discussions... nor is it put in context... supposedly its in London... ] Oh I see so I have carte-blanche to post anything here ? Oh goody!

What??  Are you trying to tell me that you've been controlling yourself so far ???

Thanks to everyone. Sometimes we can raise the standards as well as lower them !

We should always be able to laugh at each other and never be frightened of making fools of ourselves.I know I do constantly.

You can go back to hating me now! Lets leave the civilians alone.

Merry Xmas and a progtastic New Year.

"When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again.

Do you, don't you want me to love you
I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter.

Will you, won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Look out helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter

Look out, cause here she comes.

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
And I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
And I get to the bottom and I see you again

Well do you, don't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Look out helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter
Look out helter skelter
She's coming down fast
Yes she is
Yes she is."

Is this song about Christmas lights? Impending race wars? Forum decorum?

Charlie has had his say. Now it's your turn.

 None of the above.

Ice candles.

The sheer fragile, transient, doomed beauty. Sob.