Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's assesment of Yes

rogerthat wrote: Genesis were added before Rush.  And seeing as Watcher of the Skies was performed at their induction, it's not clear that the Gabriel years had nothing to do with it.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: rogerthat wrote: Genesis were added before Rush.  And seeing as Watcher of the Skies was performed at their induction, it's not clear that the Gabriel years had nothing to do with it. As a fact, Peter Gabriel is also in the hall for his solo work. Iván

which would make excluding him from the group's induction, as he left before Genesis became known, would very tricky as opposed to leaving off the Joe-6 Packs of the musical world that played with other groups and weren't associated with the classic lineups that offered up the work that served as the basis for their induction.

oh that they did for sure man! Afterall they did have their best albums in front of them which surely helped pave the way to superstardom!

dr wu23 wrote: lazland wrote: Genesis were touring the States regularly when Gabriel was with them. They played the whole of the Lamb, famously, in the US before barely anyone had heard the thing. In our homeland, they were, after Selling England, rising to the top tier of live bands. The issue the rest of them had with him when he left was that they were on the verge of becoming massive. As it happens, they managed that perfectly well without him, ironically   And it would have been interesting to see what direction they went in over the next few albums if Gabriel had stayed around ....would they have remained prog or gone more pop over time as they did with Collins?

Let's think. Gabriel non commercial hit singles....

Solsbury Hill
DIY
Games Without Frontiers
No Self Control
Shock The Monkey
Sledgehammer
Steam
Digging In The Dirt
Kiss That Frog

Pure prog, man

Dellinger wrote: Pure prog, man

I don't really know much Gabriel solo, but I would think your post is sarcastic. I think Genesis would have gone commercial anyway, because Gabriel went commercial, Genesis by themselves went commercial too, and The Lamb already had hints of the band being commercial, since it favor the shorter song format over the extended instrumental passages from their previous albums. Having this in mind, and since for me The Lamb was rather a disapointment because of this very reasons, and given that what little I have heard from Gabriel solo hasn't impressed me at all, I might be controversial and say that I actually doubt I would have liked the 80's Genesis better if Gabriel had stayed than what they actually did. In the end, songs like Mama, Home by the Sea, Land of Confusion, and some others are really great for me, and like them sung by Collins, and I wouldn't have liked the existance or end result of such songs compromised.[/QUOTE]

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Dellinger wrote: Pure prog, man I don't really know much Gabriel solo, but I would think your post is sarcastic. I think Genesis would have gone commercial anyway, because Gabriel went commercial, Genesis by themselves went commercial too, and The Lamb already had hints of the band being commercial, since it favor the shorter song format over the extended instrumental passages from their previous albums. Having this in mind, and since for me The Lamb was rather a disapointment because of this very reasons, and given that what little I have heard from Gabriel solo hasn't impressed me at all, I might be controversial and say that I actually doubt I would have liked the 80's Genesis better if Gabriel had stayed than what they actually did. In the end, songs like Mama, Home by the Sea, Land of Confusion, and some others are really great for me, and like them sung by Collins, and I wouldn't have liked the existance or end result of such songs compromised.

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No, length of a song doesn't really make it any more prog or good by itself. But often enough, the longer songs (over 7 min, I guess) end up being the ones I love the most, and it isn't that disregard the shorter songs just because of their length, I do give them all their fair chance (just as there are some times I do feel some songs would do good to be shorter, Transatlantic has some songs that could be trimmed by even 10 min, and be better for it, and still be considered epics). However, from Genesis my very favourite songs are "Musical Box", "Supper's Ready", "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight", and "Cinema Show", I could add "The Knife", "One for the Vine", and some of the 80's output ("Mama", "Home by the Sea", "Land of Confusion")... and "In the Cage", from The Lamb... which happens to be one of the longer songs... still, there are many of the shorter ones that I do like (I actually mentioned two from the 80's), but I don't feel they achieve the same greatness. And The Lamb just isn't as satisfying for me, not only because of it's shorter songs, but there's something that just doesn't click with me (same happens for me with Pink Floyd and "The Wall").

Herb Tarlik was a lovely man.