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Posted: November 06 2015 at 15:59
GKR wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Ok but I don't want to share a bathroom with anyone at all, and im not getting that...
Also, i can't figure out why it matters which bathroom anyone uses at all. We all pee and poo.
I've never gotten that one either. I often use the men's restroom at concerts just because the lines are so much shorter. It's just a non-issue.
The thing is: you guys dont understand maybe, but the issue exist. What issue? Transgender people often are forbided of using the bathrooms that correspond to theirs sexual identity. Thats it.
The question now should be: Why are people unconfortable (Bald explain why when talk about showering, a bit diferent, but she got her point) and how we will solve this question.
I have no easy answer, but we got to find a way...
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Posted: November 07 2015 at 10:20
A rough week for liberals, that's for sure. And for the LGBT community in Texas, for the unisex restroom proposition which failed, and the election of Republican Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin in the state of Kentucky.
The latter is obviously worse as Bevin wants to suspend Obama care for over 300,000 Kentucky residents and place these people back into enormous health and financial risk, along with towing the standard Tea Party line regarding marriage rights for Gays and Lesbians. How the people of Kentucky let Bevin become easily elected is what disturbs me the most. I know that many, many Democrats are sick and tired of the whole political system, not just in Kentucky, but in numerous states throughout America. However, Democrats not showing up at the polls will never ever help our cause. We must vote. It's our only true recourse to help the many social issues we are now facing in the US.
On a lighter note, I spoke to some friends I know in Texas, Martin and his partner Enrique (Ricky) who are peanut farmers. They take many of conservative positions in stride and told me to keep looking on the bright side. "That's easy for you" I said. "You can open carry." For those across the pond, that means that they can legally carry sidearms.
"One of the benefits of American conservatism." Martin laughed. But he seriously defended his beloved city of Austin which is the musical home of Willie Nelson, ZZ Top and the Butthole Surfers, as well as being the spiritual home of Steve Earle, Towns Van Zandt and Lucinda Williams. And one time local resident and founder of the 13th Floor Elevators Roky Erickson still frequents Austin and is treated as a musical patron saint. Austin is also very progressive with artists and all types of trendy people invading the city, which drives up housing prices, much to Martin's displeasure. But I guess that even a paradise inside of Texas is not without it's downside.
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Posted: November 08 2015 at 08:25
There are some stereotypical questions or remarks Jean and I are often confronted with, mostly by men, but sometimes by women too. One of them is. "Who is the man in your relationship"? This question is based on the wrong assumption that there always is one person who takes the role of "man" in a lesbian relationship. Now while there are couples in which this is the case it usually is not.
Another is "don't you miss the dick"? No, I don't.
Closely related are remarks like "you just never had sex with a real man". This usually means "You just never had sex with me". No, I haven't and I am glad about it.
Another is "You don't look like a lesbian" or, even worse, "But you look good" . Listen, just because I am a lesbian does not mean I am an ugly hag
One of the worst asked by a man is "Can I join you in a threesome?". A variant of that is "Can I watch you two?", probably in the hope that he might join.
Another stupid question is "How do you do it"? Use your imagination.
A question asked by men and women is: "How do you know you are a lesbian"? I usually ask back: "How do you know you are heterosexual"?
These are just some of the stupid questions and remarks we get. I could list a lot more.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 00:15
RayRo wrote:
A rough week for liberals, that's for sure. And for the LGBT community in Texas, for the unisex restroom proposition which failed, and the election of Republican Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin in the state of Kentucky.
I always believed that unisex restrooms are absurd:
- I don't want my sister or daughter entering to the same restroom with drunk/perverted/stupid guys
- We men are dirty by nature.
- If I go for N° 2 (I very rarely do it outside my house or hotel room), I don't want a woman listening the noises I make (Normally I have stomach problems when using public restrooms for other than urinate or washing my hands).
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 04:08
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
RayRo wrote:
A rough week for liberals, that's for sure. And for the LGBT community in Texas, for the unisex restroom proposition which failed, and the election of Republican Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin in the state of Kentucky.
- We men are dirty by nature. Speak for yourself!!
- If I go for N° 2 (I very rarely do it outside my house or hotel room), I don't want a woman listening the noises I make (Normally I have stomach problems when using public restrooms for other than urinate or washing my hands).
Ivan - I have just read this after consuming a very pleasant chocolate bar with my tea at work. Needless to say, the thought of your stomach noises has made the digestive process slightly more challenging!
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 05:35
Quite an interesting thread!!
I think a large part of the problem comes with underexposure to the world around us. It's a beautiful, vast world. We hear stories and myths about people, but never truly meet them. If you simply talk to somebody who's trans* or gay, you learn quick (and you may be surprised) that they're truly a person! Just because someone's attracted to the same sex, somehow that means they're a mystery. It's just a sexual preference.
'Oh, this artist's gay!' I've heard my friends' parents say that, thinking that my friend and that artist have something in common. It's not something unique, it's simply who we're attracted to. And nobody should be ashamed of that.
Luckily, through all the s**t people get for being gay, bi, etc., they can come out stronger. They realize that we live in a colorblind world, and people push for change and challenging the way others think.
Now, I'm sure deep down, I have some unconscious bias because of everything I've lived through/been taught. And I'm not doing the best explaining myself !!
BUT... I'm happy Friede and Jean are here to shed some perspective. Two smart women that can show examples of how stupid people can be, thinking that 'male' means to be belligerent and clueless. Nobody has 'masculine' or 'feminine' qualities, we've made those up!!
The Women's Studies class I took (forever ago, it feels like now..) opened my eyes. Sure, I had the utmost respect for women before, but it covered everything we weren't taught in school. Everything that isn't talked about. Anyways... Power to you, RayRo and Baldies !
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 08:16
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
RayRo wrote:
A rough week for liberals, that's for sure. And for the LGBT community in Texas, for the unisex restroom proposition which failed, and the election of Republican Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin in the state of Kentucky.
I always believed that unisex restrooms are absurd:
- I don't want my sister or daughter entering to the same restroom with drunk/perverted/stupid guys
- We men are dirty by nature.
- If I go for N° 2 (I very rarely do it outside my house or hotel room), I don't want a woman listening the noises I make (Normally I have stomach problems when using public restrooms for other than urinate or washing my hands).
I am in favour of unisex toilets but for exactly the same reasons you object to them, [though like Steve, I take exception at being tagged as "dirty by nature"]. To be usable and viable as unisex public toilets the communal single-sex designs that are imposed upon us would have to be re-thought. Pathetic attempts at modesty would have to be replaced with full-on privacy, and that means for all the activities that happen in those public places. [Frankly if you don't want someone of the opposite sex seeing/hearing/smelling what you are doing then perhaps consider that some people of the same sex don't want to see/hear/smell you doing it either...]. I'll not bother going into specifics of the necessary design changes but all the issues that affect the human senses have to be addressed and solved, and that includes the smell.
We all use unisex toilets in our own homes, on trains and in aircraft so it's not that much of a leap to realise the same in public places. Unisex public changing rooms are not uncommon in the UK, even in our rural backwater the local sport's centre boasts unisex changing rooms (complete with showers) where privacy and decency are preserved without problem. Of course we don't need these everywhere, but where space is at a premium it just makes more sense to have one unisex facility than two smaller single-sex ones.
Anyone who's ever been to a music festival has probably also experienced the unisex toilets taken to the extreme.....and those of us who somehow managed to survive all of this know full well that toilets never ever will be the same again. We now thank our lucky stars that we get to sit on something that doesn't expose you to ebola and 4 kinds of chicken-pocks and furthermore that we've overcome the hardships of peeing while excited women are applying war paint in front of the mirror.
I welcome the progressive toilet.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:07
Guldbamsen wrote:
Anyone who's ever been to a music festival has probably also experienced the unisex toilets taken to the extreme.....and those of us who somehow managed to survive all of this know full well that toilets never ever will be the same again. We now thank our lucky stars that we get to sit on something that doesn't expose you to ebola and 4 kinds of chicken-pocks and furthermore that we've overcome the hardships of peeing while excited women are applying war paint in front of the mirror.
I welcome the progressive toilet.
Festival toilets have (unbelievably) improved a lot over the years - the facilities at Weyfest and Latitude were positively regal compared to Glastonbury's open pits of effluent. I was initially surprised to discover that not only I, but all in our party, had managed to survive three days at our first Glastonbury without wanting to venture anywhere near them. Needless to say we also avoided all the motorway service stations on the journey home too as it was evident from the condition of those that we were not the only ones, however I did pity the other customers at the pizzeria in Salisbury were we stopped for lunch that day as nature could not be contained any longer...
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:14
Reminds me of a joke. A guest at a rather rustic hotel complains to an employee about all the flies in the toilet room. Replies the employee: "Why, you have to go at noon, then they are all in the kitchen".
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:18
^^Exactly Dean, just to expand on your comment, if you're going to have unisex toilette, by god make them truly closed rooms without any low or high openings and without the usual idiotic empty space between stalls that make going to public restrooms quite the opposite to a private experience
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:47
I mean... I get super embarassed in public toilets when I take a number 2 but if someone else is in there I guess I kind of consider it their loss, especially if I'm having one of those vomit sh*ts. Ivan seems to know what I'm talking about.
I figured that women would have more problems with unisex toilets because I remember in high school going in the girls bathroom a couple times cause no one was at school and it actually smelled good and was super clean. It's almost like all those stories were true. The girl's restroom is a magical place that doesn't have pee all over the floor and doesn't smell like a rotting raccoon carcass.
I've been putting up with pee on toilet seats, unflushed turds, etc etc for years so I'm used to it. I happily welcome when our overlords decide to make all bathrooms unisex.
In the men's locker room at our school, there was a toilet that just sat in the middle of the locker room with no walls around it. People would sh*t in that thing in front of everyone. One time there was a shoe in the toilet so this guy goes over there and takes a dump in the shoe. Then people took turns peeing on the poo in the shoe and disentigrating it. It was a pretty awful smell. Too bad it was the only locker room for guys
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:50
^^Also, the fact that men are pigs, at least in the US, and feel the need to spray their urine over the entire seat wouldn't help the idea of a unisex toilette.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 09:54
Smurph wrote:
I figured that women would have more problems with unisex toilets because I remember in high school going in the girls bathroom a couple times cause no one was at school and it actually smelled good and was super clean. It's almost like all those stories were true. The girl's restroom is a magical place that doesn't have pee all over the floor and doesn't smell like a rotting raccoon carcass.
Anyone who's ever been to a music festival has probably also experienced the unisex toilets taken to the extreme.....and those of us who somehow managed to survive all of this know full well that toilets never ever will be the same again. We now thank our lucky stars that we get to sit on something that doesn't expose you to ebola and 4 kinds of chicken-pocks and furthermore that we've overcome the hardships of peeing while excited women are applying war paint in front of the mirror.
I welcome the progressive toilet.
Festival toilets have (unbelievably) improved a lot over the years - the facilities at Weyfest and Latitude were positively regal compared to Glastonbury's open pits of effluent. I was initially surprised to discover that not only I, but all in our party, had managed to survive three days at our first Glastonbury without wanting to venture anywhere near them. Needless to say we also avoided all the motorway service stations on the journey home too as it was evident from the condition of those that we were not the only ones, however I did pity the other customers at the pizzeria in Salisbury were we stopped for lunch that day as nature could not be contained any longer...
Classic trip home from a festival. Always that guy/girl who refuses to use the toilets. He then (I have a friend who does this) "sits" like a Parkinsons patient on the back-seat until a restroom pops up on the motorway.
I agree though, since I started out frequenting the Roskilde Festival back in 1998 (saw Black Sabbath that year) up until now there's been a much wanted upgrade of the toilets. Still doesn't save you from the infamous poo pyramid - you know the one that sticks it's head up over the actual seat - and you just know the person that made it at one point must've felt quite surprised
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 10:59
The T wrote:
^^Also, the fact that men are pigs, at least in the US, and feel the need to spray their urine over the entire seat wouldn't help the idea of a unisex toilette.
Simple solution would be to have the seat weighted up, like a theatre or cinema seat. That way it's always out of the way of a male and clean for a female. It also means we don't have to touch the damn thing at all. The "convention" that the seat must be left down is a stupid one, it is far more logical for it to be left up and only lowered when needed.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 11:02
BaldFriede wrote:
Smurph wrote:
I figured that women would have more problems with unisex toilets because I remember in high school going in the girls bathroom a couple times cause no one was at school and it actually smelled good and was super clean. It's almost like all those stories were true. The girl's restroom is a magical place that doesn't have pee all over the floor and doesn't smell like a rotting raccoon carcass.
That's exactly why I don't want unisex toilets.
I'd prefer we educate whole population to use the toilet respectfully.
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GKR wrote:
) up until now there's been a much wanted upgrade of the toilets. Still doesn't save you from the infamous poo pyramid - you know the one that sticks it's head up over the actual seat - and you just know the person that made it at one point must've felt quite surprised 
