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Points: 65883 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2015 at 13:55
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Bavaria is very nice, full of kindly people, and has less mexicans than Texas

This verges on ugly--  further, I'd think someone in Canada couldn't give a rat's ass what's happening in Texas.
I never said it's a bad thing.  Just that Bavaria doesn't tend to have a lot of immigrants from Mexico.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Please BaldFriede don't insult your own country by daring to compare Bavaria (or any place on Earth really) to Texas

There is a common saying in Germany: "Bavaria is no longer Germany and not yet Austria".

Many things are different in Bavaria. It is for example the only one of the 16 federal states of Germany in which there is no Christian Democratic Union (one of the major political parties in Germany) but where you have the Christian Social Union instead. The CSU is a sister party of the CDU, but there are often tensions between them. These tensions have a big impact on the political life in Germany.

In the days of Franz Josef Strauss the CSU got around 70% of the votes in Bavaria, a lot more than any other party in any other federal state. They still get by far the most votes in Bavaria. And the CSU is the most conservative of all democratic parties in Germany; it borders on right-wing extremism at times.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Bavaria is very nice, full of kindly people, and has less mexicans than Texas

This verges on ugly--  further, I'd think someone in Canada couldn't give a rat's ass what's happening in Texas.





I never said it's a bad thing.  Just that Bavaria doesn't tend to have a lot of immigrants from Mexico.
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Please BaldFriede don't insult your own country by daring to compare Bavaria (or any place on Earth really) to Texas
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Bavaria is very nice, full of kindly people, and has less mexicans than Texas

This verges on ugly--  further, I'd think someone in Canada couldn't give a rat's ass what's happening in Texas.
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Thankfully the world have changed a bit the last 40 years or so. Back in the golden age of the 1970's, things were not as simple.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Serbian priest supports the fascist organizations and football hooligans at anti-gay protest in Belgrade:

In their defense, the orthodox church has a clear position on homosexuality.  Nobody is forcing you to agree with them, but their priests probably should actually follow their own religion

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what's the A stand for?

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Texas is to the USA what Bavaria is to Germany, so it did not surprise me.

Bavaria is very nice, full of kindly people, and has less mexicans than Texas

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I haven't pooped on anyone in public yet.

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Serbian priest supports the fascist organizations and football hooligans at anti-gay protest in Belgrade:
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Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

nice try mister Dean, but my countryman wrote THIS [@topic "Are gays and lesbians are welcome at PA?" page2]:
 
Quote Svetonio wrote:
 
I am a heterosexual who, due to humanitarian, political and anti-religious reasons, strongly supports all of the demands of the LGBT community as well as giving the rights of gay couples to adopt children; actually, I support LGBT demands way strongly than many gays which I meet in the real life.
 
have a nice day!
I know what 'he' wrote, but I did not need to quote 'him' directly as that would only have provoked another of 'his' self-pitying protestations. 'He' listed three reasons, of which I picked two to comment upon as the third was superfluous; 'he' did not list one reason that had three conditions that had to be true for 'him' to support LBGT demands... 

Then, perhaps you should actually read read what I wrote and not what you think I said.Evil Smile



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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

Despite the many wonderful welcomes and encouraging answers I received in my other post asking if Gays and Lesbians are welcome in PA, as an openly gay man, I would have to say that I do not feel welcome.

Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

 
There were some glaring red flags that cropped up both within that post and externally.
Aside from the usual comedians (myself included) making jokes, the only eye-brow raising post I saw was from *someone* who gave the impression he only supported LGBT rights for political and anti-religious reasons but that was simply a case of "lost in translation". Until people support equality for all regardless of their own political or religious ideology then there never will be equality. LGBT rights should never have been a political issue nor should it ever be a religious issue, it is an apolitical, areligious issue. 
Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

 
For example, there was not  a single mention of a LGBT discussion group existing in any of the peripheral Prog Archives "non music" forums. There were "threads" that discussed everything from the 2015 NFL season to a non ending "thread" on Libertarianism. But no "thread" discussing Gay and Lesbian rights and their political concerns. Why?
There is now, and the comedians will rip the piss out of it for a while because that's what we do. Not because we don't take the subject seriously, but because we cannot resist the humour in it.
Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

 
There was also an instance of a longtime "collaborator" who mentioned that he was gay and was surprised that my question even came up. Again, I ask why?
Because that is not what defines who he is perhaps?
Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

 
There also seemed, by the person's site name, of either an anonymous transsexual or transgender person. I could be wrong about this, but as an LGBTQ advocate, I have a lot of experience in these matters and have to go by an educated guess. And this broad based posture of anonymity is paramount to me.
Erm, do you mean Queen-by-tor? She's female, that is the be all and end all of it. That is not anonymity, quite the opposite. 

All people here are accepted as the gender they declare themselves to be.
Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

Prog Archives is not some bigoted discussion forum, but I feel that cultural norms and practices of the 20th Century, such welcoming gays but not actually discussing the "who, what, where and why's" is what is still dominant in the 21st Century for this site.
"Welcome Ray, why are you gay?" seems an awfully rude welcome to me.Tongue We discuss these things when they come up, if they come up, but frankly - when practically everyone here supports equality for all then what is there to discuss?

Try this: Yeah, I just got out of jail. We showed our support but what is there to discuss there? If Erin wanted to discuss LGBTQ rights there she could have, but she chose not to.
Originally posted by RayRo RayRo wrote:

If PA wants to welcome Gays and Lesbians, it has to show more tolerance that simply saying we're welcome.
Positive discrimination (which is in essence what you are asking for) is only necessary to redress an imbalance caused by negative discrimination - the proper solution is to remove the negative, which is what we do here.

nice try mister Dean, but my countryman wrote THIS [@topic "Are gays and lesbians are welcome at PA?" page2]:
 
Quote Svetonio wrote:
 
I am a heterosexual who, due to humanitarian, political and anti-religious reasons, strongly supports all of the demands of the LGBT community as well as giving the rights of gay couples to adopt children; actually, I support LGBT demands way strongly than many gays which I meet in the real life.
 
have a nice day!


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Points: 6253 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2015 at 07:27
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

I identify as unfathomably uncomfortable with myself.
 
uncomfortable exploring yourself LOL you're funny.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

[QUOTE=GKR][QUOTE=Kati]

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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

identity politics. Unhappy


I agree that ALL THE TIME, it become boring, but LGBT as a political identity is important, even to adquire the basic rights.
 
Yes it is a serious matter, these are basic human rights, equal rights for all, it's so frustrating and incomprehensible the injustice done to particular social groups.
People should stop imposing onto others their beliefs and instead mind their own business, we know this.
 
What I said earlier was not meant in an insensitive way, quite the contrary.
I don't want anyone to end up feeling alienated or others uncomfortable, made to feel like they need to walk on eggshells around here, thus our gender identity should not matter here.
 
Sexual orientation, on-the-other-hand now that's an interesting topic to me Big smileThumbs Up

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Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

identity politics. Unhappy


I agree that ALL THE TIME, it become boring, but LGBT as a political identity is important, even to adquire the basic rights.
 
Yes it is a serious matter, these are basic human rights, equal rights for all, it's so frustrating and incomprehensible the injustice done to particular social groups.
People should stop imposing onto others their beliefs and instead mind their own business, we know this.
 
What I said earlier was not meant in an insensitive way, quite the contrary.
I don't want anyone to end up feeling alienated or others uncomfortable, made to feel like they need to walk on eggshells around here, thus our gender identity should not matter here.
 
Sexual orientation, on-the-other-hand now that's an interesting topic to me Big smileThumbs Up
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