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dr wu23
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 16:35 |
This seems like it might fit in here...always liked this comment:
"Is what we moderns have remaining to learn about the nature of reality slight and will it require only light fine-tuning of our current way of looking at things; or do we understand very little , missing the point entirely about the nature of our situation in being?"
Terrance McKenna
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SteveG
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 16:40 |
^Now, that's really a deep question Doc. And a very good one too.
Edited by SteveG - October 26 2015 at 16:42
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 16:49 |
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 17:17 |
Otto9999 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Once upon a time ..... until modern day ..... You either have faith or you don't. And to this day, it is still an answer to the who, what, how, and why of our existence....for those who choose to accept it.
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Less than 100,000 years up to date... such a long time for me ... But.. really? |
As I recall, the Bible seems to indicate that the earth has only existed for about 8,000 years or some other ridiculously "small" period of time. One of a number of "facts" written in the Bible that have been disproved by science. However, it has been said that these items written in the Bible were written by man and not God, and thus although false, it was what was thought was the truth at the time of the writing. (or some such explanation).
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 21:47 |
dr wu23 wrote:
After some thought perhaps the better question would be, why do some people not have religious beliefs since the majority on earth probably do. |
Because cultures spread and cover vast regions.
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 21:53 |
twseel wrote:
According to this neurological bestseller that I read there's a part of the brain generating the specific feeling of spirituality, probably evolutionarily installed to keep a group together or something.
...and here's something from Wiki to support it: Spiritual experiences[edit] Neuroscientists have examined brain functioning during reported spiritual experiences[146][147] finding that certain neurotransmitters and specific areas of the brain are involved.[148][149][150][151] Moreover, experimenters have also successfully induced spiritual experiences in individuals by administering psychoactive agents known to elicit euphoria and perceptual distortions.[152][153] Conversely, religiosity and spirituality can also be dampened by electromagnetic stimulation of the brain.[154] These results have led some leading theorists to speculate that spirituality may be a benign subtype of psychosis (see).[135][155][156][157][158] Benign in the sense that the same aberrant sensory perceptions that those suffering clinical psychoses evaluate as distressingly in-congruent and inexplicable are instead interpreted by spiritual individuals as positive—as personal and meaningful transcendent experiences.[156][157]
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I tend to think of this as an epiphenomenon. All this means is the brain accommodates spiritual belief. The same can be said of irregular verbs in English. I'm one who tends to prefer cognitive explanations over sociological ones, but in this case I think it's quite the reverse.
Edited by HackettFan - October 26 2015 at 22:01
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 21:54 |
Same reason some people still believe in communism/socialism and other forms of totalitarianism. Fools desire for some all-knowing central entity to run the world for them.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 04:56 |
jayem wrote:
Which religious doctrine would Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao or Kim whatever, have used to manipulate people, making things worse than what happened ?... |
you could almost add Hitler to that list, though the Nazi regime didn't declare itself atheist... it kind of avoided the subject, I think ((not sure about this, because they did use some kind of mythology) What led those arsehole's regimes to those atrocities is that religion became an (in not THE prime) element of resistance to the non-religious egalitarian society projects that they were trying to install. (well the pol Pot regime was yet another thing, where just being able to read got you killed)
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Skalla-Grim
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 05:23 |
The main cause for religious beliefs is education and tradition. Most people who believe in certain supernatural holy phenomena, do that because they were told to believe by their parents, priests or whatever. I don't think many Christians know that the cause for most Europeans being christians is that a Roman emperor believed the Christian god would grant him victory over his political enemies.
Sean Trane wrote:
you could almost add Hitler to that list, though the Nazi regime didn't declare itself atheist... it kind of avoided the subject, I think ((not sure about this, because they did use some kind of mythology) |
The nazi regime wasn't atheist, it tried to create christianity without its jewish heritage. There are various speeches from Hitler in which he claimed he was fulfilling God's will.
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 07:41 |
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Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:05
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 07:46 |
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Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 12:51
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jayem
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 08:41 |
manofmystery wrote:
Same reason some people still believe in communism/socialism and other forms of totalitarianism. Fools desire for some all-knowing central entity to run the world for them.
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No regime is bound to totalitarianism, though regimes based on extreme doctrines will probably encourage it. Once we know dazzling charisma offers no quality guarantee, and once we choose not to trust trust people with excellent official results in their careers to become our masters, totalitarianism is unlikely.
Edited by jayem - October 27 2015 at 08:44
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 11:44 |
Two days, four pages ... when there's already another (recent) thread about faith.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 11:49 |
Religion, regardless of one's stance and even one's lack of a stance, is a never ending topic for discussion. This in its self always struck me as significant.
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 12:22 |
SteveG wrote:
Religion, regardless of one's stance and even one's lack of a stance, is a never ending topic for discussion. This in its self always struck me as significant. |
I suspect the reason why has changed considerably thou'.
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What?
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 12:37 |
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 12:58 |
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 12:59 |
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Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:05
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wilmon91
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 14:48 |
SteveG wrote:
Why do some people have religous beliefs? |
The question has some implication, as if saying - why don't people stick to what we can see, hear and register with our senses. We don't need to believe in anything until we have seen it. Why believe in extraterrestrials until we have seen one? However, it's extremely unlikely that extraterrestrials don't exist, it is too improbable. The scientific progress only works with what we have discovered and what is measurable, though. But you can't - prove a purpose
- observe a purpose.
So we might as well ask, "why do people need a purpose?" But that calls for the question, "why don't some people need purpose?" . It's the same with the question in this thread. It is a naive question, since there is no explanation to why the question was asked, and there is no argument for not believing - it's only implied.
Edited by wilmon91 - October 27 2015 at 15:05
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wilmon91
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Posted: October 27 2015 at 14:50 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Two days, four pages ... when there's already another (recent) thread about faith. |
What thread is that?
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