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chopper
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 09:37 | ||
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SteveG
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 09:39 | ||
Well, it seem that the nonbelievers won the first round in what was not intended to be a contest.
Ok, believers, it's your turn.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 10:00 | ||
I remember back when my dad first tried explaining this to me. He referred to the west coast of Denmark, where there still is a rather big (for Denmark that is) Christian community. Most of the folks living there were/are fishermen, which means having to sail some of the most treacherous seas in Scandinavia. Every time they sail out, they're in harms way. In the olden days when people knew nothing of weather forecasts and natural occurring wonders, they still had to have some faith in their safe return....and who else do you turn to when something is out of your hands? It is not hard to imagine such a strong tradition carrying on to the next generation and the one after.
I think gods basically stem from man's incessant urge to put everything into little tiny boxes. When we come across stuff we don't understand, it's comforting to turn to deities or the supernatural. With gods we got the ultimate boxes. When something doesn't fit in anywhere else, you know exactly where to put it. Edited by Guldbamsen - October 26 2015 at 10:26 |
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Sean Trane
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Padraic
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 10:56 | ||
It's an old and traditional method of attempting to answer the fundamental human query of "Why are we here?" A search for a bigger meaning. I suppose on some level it's depressing to think that there is no bigger meaning.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 11:48 | ||
Specifically, I could list the reasons why I think evidence and logic support my decision (which would take a long time), why it's appealing to me (which doesn't necessarily decide what I believe, but almost everyone has a preference of what they want to believe, even if they believe the opposite; also a long conversation), or if there are any unquestioned assumptions I have, stones unturned in my assessment of thousands of years of thought, arguments, and counterarguments (I would like to believe that there aren't, but naturally, as is true of all human beings, there are).
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jayem
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 12:18 | ||
My parents and many relatives are very religious, and should faith in Jesus massively disappear on Earth, they want to be the last believers. To tell them we don't believe would express disdain for dozens of years of endless efforts at spreading the Good News. I'd DESERVE Hell to exist if I betray the faith they've fought so hard for.
I don't know if anyone of their descendants will ever enter Heaven, but if my parents make it they won't end up alone: Mrs & Mr Stalder, retired hairdressers, and the baker's wife (I have a doubt about the husband) Mrs Rappaz will be there. I tell you this is the truth. Now beware ! Mrs Rappaz is the One who'll read names into the Book of Life. Believers can dismiss any steady reasoning upon how God cannot exist : 1. God's existence doesn't make sense. 2. Life doesn't make sense. ...Ergo: religion and life team up very well. The only safe way to get rid of religion is the eradication of all vulnerabilities. I don't know how one could possibly raise humans so that everyone become balanced + prone to making sense out of everything. No predators ? No lazy losers ? Which religious doctrine would Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao or Kim whatever, have used to manipulate people, making things worse than what happened ?... |
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Dean
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 12:29 | ||
I get smart-arse comments from a Japanese apricot tree?
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 12:30 | ||
Uh...how exactly did 'they' win? Belief in religion/God is a personal reality paradigm choice . There's no way to prove winning or losing in that. A confused agnostic... |
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Smurph
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:06 | ||
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Polymorphia
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:15 | ||
^It's only a matter of time.
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wilmon91
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:23 | ||
Who are the nonbelievers and how did they score points ?
I don't know about that urge, but it reminds me of the scientific revolution. All knowledge was put into a system where eveyrhing was divided into separate filelds and sub-fields. Tiny little boxes, you could say. The ability to look at the whole and to realize everythings interdependence was lost. I don't see how a belief would be putting things in tiny boxes. |
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O666
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:25 | ||
This question can have different answers in different communities. Its relevant to culture , history , rate of illiteracy , psychology and... I mean believers are different and this make many answers to this question.
There are too many things that science can't explain YET and this is very important.
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wilmon91
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:27 | ||
Another interesting question would be if you met a psychopath, with no sense of feelings and empathy, who asked you what was the point of feelings?
What arguments are there to convince the psychopath about the value of feelings and conscience? |
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Smurph
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:28 | ||
It's funny to think about religious people putting things in boxes because the entire concept of God to me is something that is inconceivable
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SteveG
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 14:28 | ||
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SteveG
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 14:41 | ||
There are probably many valid answers to my question. Although, it can't be verified, I feel that we humans base a lot of our actions on beliefs. If we believe we're in eminent danger, such as a hearing someone breaking into our house at night, we're going to perform actions that will put ourselves out of danger quickly. It could have just been someone who was drunk and was trying to get in the wrong house. In these cases, we act on belief. We believe we're in danger and don't wait around to confirm this notion with absolute fact finding observation. So, I think we can transfer this 'protection belief' system to other aspects of our behaviors such as belief in deities, afterlife, etc., along with the standard thinking of cultural conditioning, Freud's 'fear of death' mental response and hundreds, if not thousands of other valid reasons and theories for why we have religious beliefs.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 14:48 | ||
Oh, and I dismiss the notion that my question can have one all encompassing answer. That to me is hubris at it's worst.
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