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    Posted: November 13 2015 at 09:26
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

That's at odds with the US market where I guess Scheherazade, LATC and Novella were their most successful albums with SFAS slightly behind.

right, and I think it's dubious for a number of reasons, one of which is I don't think it includes Quebec which is 25% of the population more or less, and they had their own tastes, often favoring UK prog at that time. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2015 at 22:40
That's at odds with the US market where I guess Scheherazade, LATC and Novella were their most successful albums with SFAS slightly behind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2015 at 09:34
Sadly, ASFAS did not find a new audience in America, but rather a dwindling existing audience, although I think it still sold quite well.

I recently stumbled upon an archive of the Canadian charts called RPM, a magazine that ran from 1964-2000.  The charts seems to have been based on some combination of radio play, sales and general popularity, and they also focus on English language audience, so any charts for Quebec would have been very different at that time, and local charts could be quite variable.  It has quite a few surprises, first being that ASFAS looks to have been the most popular Renaissance album overall in English Canada.  The only other ones that seem to have charted were Turn of the Cards and Live at Carnegie Hall, but in terms of time on the chart and peak position ASFAS was the most successful, peaking at #45.  But nothing on the singles chart.


edit - Live at Carnegie Hall was on Canadian album charts for 11 weeks in 1976 and peaked at 44;  that was its only week in the top 50
A Song for All Seasons was on Canadian album charts for 7 weeks in 1978 and peaked at 45;  it spent 3 weeks in the top 50
The only other album to chart in Canada was Turn of the Cards in 1974 for just 3 weeks, just scraping into the 90s.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2015 at 09:00
Yeah, unionisation.  Well, maybe if Northern Lights had been a hit single in the US as well, that could have bankrolled the orchestra.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2015 at 08:34
I think that's it;   was it really a trumpet?  The orchestra was so tight with the band back then that I don't always realize when they are playing and when the band is playing, especially since the band was using synthesizers and even mellotron in that track on record.  I honestly don't remember how they handled it live other than, if they did hit that high, it was a bit too buried in the mix.  But overall I thought Annie really had the power to do the song justice, and the backing vocals helped too.  The guitarist in particular seemed very sympathetic to the band sound vocally.  I actually think I saw that he played in the band back in the 1980s as well, at least in several live incarnations

I read somewhere that one of the reasons they stopped using the orchestra after this album was that the orchestra costs went through the roof around that time.  It always seemed odd to me that they would have had to cut the orchestra for economic reasons after the most successful album of their career but it was because of unionization apparently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 22:17
You mean the trumpet part right at the end of the second iteration?  In live versions from the 70s, Annie vocalised all those portions which didn't capture that same effect because she modified the notes.  With two keyboards, they had the opportunity to perform the brass sections on instruments but I wonder (doubt) if they did that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:49
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

So now that we are talking details, how did Song for all Seasons go?  I mean how did Annie tackle it?  I am sure the instrumentation came off better with the new band because they have two keyboards.  But it's a pretty demanding song for the vocalist with those sharp dynamic spikes.

well, you know, I'm of the opinion that a Song for all Seasons is not accorded as much respect as it should be because of it came about relatively late in their career, so I'm pretty demanding, and I think that she managed to hold her own within the dense arrangement.  I'm always a bit disappointed that the brief instrumental break leading up to the final chorus never seems to do that brilliant turn it does on record.  I don't know how to explain it better.  It goes through 3 iterations, and the second is different from the first and third on record.  Every live version I hear misses out on that.  But just a minor flaw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:37
So now that we are talking details, how did Song for all Seasons go?  I mean how did Annie tackle it?  I am sure the instrumentation came off better with the new band because they have two keyboards.  But it's a pretty demanding song for the vocalist with those sharp dynamic spikes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:34
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

awesome. Great review Ken!  How well did she carry off Sounds of the Sea. Tell me she can and did still do that justice

sounded pretty good to me - it was actually the first song after the break and we were a bit late getting back.  It was great that they listened to fans and played that, Northern Lights and Song for all Seasons.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:18
awesome. Great review Ken!  How well did she carry off Sounds of the Sea. Tell me she can and did still do that justice
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:21
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I believe that about Annie.  I was joking with my friend that I could picture her in a group of friends back in the day passing around a joint, and she would be like "oh no thank you" with a vivacious laugh.  She seems like the anti rock star in many ways, and although that may just be a persona, I bet she has taken good care of herself for a long time, starting with her voice
 
Yeah, anti rock star. She said she's never smoked and is only a light drinker. Don't think her voice would have held up this long if she hadn't been disciplined.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2015 at 09:05
Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

Nearly got to see the NJ show... had bus tickets and everything. Missed it as my ride's car broke down and couldn't get to the bus station. Still upset...

so sorry to hear that
any chance you can get to the Keswick in Feb?  That's a great venue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2015 at 09:01
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Even if Ren did have a good following here, Annie is practically paranoid about contracting diseases and Indian climate makes one immune to all sorts of things, starting with the pollution. My nose is never completely clear and just about everyone who lives in Mumbai is the same. We carry a slight cold all year...and still indulge ourselves to junk food off the street!

I believe that about Annie.  I was joking with my friend that I could picture her in a group of friends back in the day passing around a joint, and she would be like "oh no thank you" with a vivacious laugh.  She seems like the anti rock star in many ways, and although that may just be a persona, I bet she has taken good care of herself for a long time, starting with her voice
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2015 at 01:28
Sorry to hear that, man. :( I know...I had even requested a review from you of the show.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 22:39
Nearly got to see the NJ show... had bus tickets and everything. Missed it as my ride's car broke down and couldn't get to the bus station. Still upset...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 21:23
Even if Ren did have a good following here, Annie is practically paranoid about contracting diseases and Indian climate makes one immune to all sorts of things, starting with the pollution. My nose is never completely clear and just about everyone who lives in Mumbai is the same. We carry a slight cold all year...and still indulge ourselves to junk food off the street!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 21:20
I think they did albeit a modest one. I picked up Novella and SFAS in a store and bought Ashes/Cards from a domestic online retailer so they must have some sort of following. I suspect it's mainly the older generation. My wife knew Northern Lights because her mum used to play this song.
 
I did see the Mike Douglas videos...on YouTube when a kind soul uploaded it shortly after Dunford's death. Not the best advertisement for the band - much prefer Midnight Special - but it will do. Yeah, have heard that story about how the band was in America when they learnt it was a top 10 hit. Annie mentioned it in an interview to a UK website earlier this year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 09:50
Ah India
There isn't much likelihood they will go there I guess. 
Do they/did they have a following there?
Did you ever see the videos of Northern Lights and Day of the Dreamer (short version) from the Mike Douglas show in 1978?
At the show Thursday, Annie described getting a call or message while on tour in America that Northern Lights had made the singles charts - it must have been an unexpected thrill


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2015 at 23:02
Nope, India.  Not going to be able to see them like ever but thankfully there's youtube.  Yes, there's a youtube vid uploaded by the band themselves of Mary Fahl performing I Think of You with Renaissance.  Don't know where she gets that heavily German pronunciation from since she speaks with a normal American accent.  

You know, I never made that connection too until you just mentioned it.  :P Indeed, fall, october project, makes sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2015 at 22:18
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Sounds great. Nicely described for a 'quick' review. It's funny but I too would like to see a new set of limbs carry on the music after Annie & co are done. I just don't know who can step into Annie's shoes. In Annie's heyday there were a bunch of these folk-rock sopranos but nowadays most female singers are mezzo. I was chuffed when they had Mary Fahl over for a couple of songs last year. Well, she did pretty well and still ended up sounding like Jennifer Rush. As you described, there are like a million little undulations going on in Annie's delivery and without that subtle dynamics it can sound very dry. That kind of singing is practically dead among the younger singers and the ones who do get somewhere close to that approach, like Anneke, tend to be mezzos.

did you manage to see them with Mary Fahl?  I had the impression you are down under and they haven't been touring there due to costs. 

Ah I see there are some youtubes

I never made the connection between the pronunciation of her last name "Fall" and "October Project"  Tongue


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