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windycrawford 
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I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 06:58 |
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^Queen were an electic band with skillful songwriting, technical supremacy and will for constant experimentation. People who sayng they 'don't take them seriously', 'Queen were a silly pop group' and things like those always appeared to me like merely a snobs (in bad sense of word).
Don't take Queen seriously because they were too popular? Because they could come up with good catchy & beautiful melodies? All this snobist talk about how Queen were bad just makes no sense for me.
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:01 |
Anyone who has total disregard towards Queen, I won't discuss further really. Our music taste and views obviously are too much apart.  
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windycrawford
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:34 |
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I suppose, those 'snobs' who rant against Queen don't mean band's poor musicianship, songwriting etc. The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm.. The Voice
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Kati
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:42 |
 windycrawford wrote:
I suppose, those 'snobs' who rant against Queen don't mean band's poor musicianship, songwriting etc. The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm.. The Voice |
I am confused here  . Queen had prog elements but now I quote you: "The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm..." Peter Gabriel during Genesis among other performances performed wearing a red dress while wearing a fox on his head. Bowie ok nevermind he is just hot no matter what. I see nothing wrong with gimmicks inc. Rick Wakeman's red cape. 
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windycrawford
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:45 |
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It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:47 |
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about |
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this?
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:51 |
Kati wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about |
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this? |
vocal gimmicks—nonsensical vowels, syllables, and sounds—to get songs stuck in your head. uh ah yeah lalala
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Kati
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:56 |
windycrawford wrote:
Kati wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about |
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this? |
vocal gimmicks—nonsensical vowels, syllables, and sounds—to get songs stuck in your head. uh ah yeah lalala
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Oh ha ok to me this is a plus, brilliant! The Beatles who started this too, either with vocal harmonies or just silly lyrics. Infact most memorable songs in history are like that. 
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 08:24 |
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 08:32 |
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:03 |
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
I love what you said, Irrelevant  Indeed, even Bowie early albums are classified as art rock however they too are heave prog orientated.  A big hug to you,
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:12 |
Kati wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
I love what you said, Irrelevant Indeed, even Bowie early albums are classified as art rock however they too are heave prog orientated. A big hug to you, |
I'm like a broken record when talking about 10cc here  Thankyou
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windycrawford
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:28 |
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions. Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
Edited by windycrawford - April 27 2015 at 09:29
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:59 |
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions. Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
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Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead. 
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windycrawford
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 10:03 |
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions. Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
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Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead. |
mature decision 
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Kati
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 12:16 |
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
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Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg. |
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions. Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
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Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead. |
mature decision |
windycrawford
Your perception of prog. in my opinion is
quite distorted and MISUNDERSTOOD. No
philosophical message? What does that mean? I for one don’t think lyrics are necessary,
also in philosophical terms I DO NOT
LIKE to be preached upon or hear whatever sermons one has to say, this is just silly and redundant to me, no
virtuoso-instrumentaion how can you say this? No tricky structures, almost no
lenghty/multi-part composition. This is too silly really. Reading all this, I
lost any will to discuss this further, I am lost for words.
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 15:21 |
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department. |
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
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