John Lennon right or wrong?

This topic was recently brought up again in America, so I am asking your thoughts on this...

Wrong. If one member of any band wants to change the dynamic of the existing band they need to discuss it with the other members. If the band says no then the requesting member should move on to a situation more in line of what they want. That being said, the rest of the band should be free to tell the requesting member that his intrusion into their dynamic is going to create a problem.

The big issue of course is once the existing band makes a change to their dynamic they run the risk of losing what was unique about them and therefore diminish the popularity or output of the band.

I have no doubt that Yoko was instrumental in supporting John's creative endeavours and some of his solo stuff show that. I was never a fan of Yoko's stuff but I do think she was, in some manner, good for John.

^Lennon got the fame, fortune and adoration he craved and subsequently could not handle.

deafmoon wrote: This topic was recently brought up again in America, so I am asking your thoughts on this... Was it 'cool or uncool'  when John included Yoko into the Beatles band meetings, song-writing, recording and rehearsals? I for one, think Lennon was uncool to do this. John was very insecure and Yoko gave him comfort, love and security. I get that. But to bring her into the mix and start pushing her opinions into his; just turned the kettle up to boil. How long was Paul expected to go along with this?

TeleStrat wrote: As far as the original "cool or uncool" question goes, it was very uncool of John to bring Yoko into the inner circle of the band.  I have seen pictures of the boys in the studio sitting in a circle with acoustic guitars and obviously  working out songs. Yoko is in a chair next to John and is leaning forward talking to the band.  But I don't think it was John as much as it was Yoko herself that put her into the situation.  John always had "mother issues" and Yoko was an older woman that was somewhat controlling. I think it was easy for her to put herself in the picture and justify it by claiming to be "sticking up"  for John.

TeleStrat wrote: Hi Kati Yes, it was John's fault which is what I said at the beginning of my post. I emphasized it by saying "very" uncool.

Smurph wrote: When you take that much LSD it's really no one's fault but your own for taking that acid. LSD opens up neural passageways and it allows for your mind to be rewritten. It very easily could have just been John taking a bunch and then Yoko manipulating him and rewiring him to make him think that he needed her.

A band is a team. "We Are Team!" (lol) ..Say for example you form a band with a friend, other members join, and the unit becomes family over a period of 5 years, traveling the road, writing together, in and out of the studio, etc...and now suddenly this person has appeared in the studio and is the wife/girlfriend of the most important vital member of the group. I question how the other 3 Beatles felt and if they thought about approaching John on their issues, (if any?), as Yoko began to voice her opinions. Maybe the other 3 members felt that she was not part of their team or the devotion and hard work put into writing with John Lennon for years that she..surely did no justice to , realistically, musically, or even socially. She was an Avant-Garde artist and her viewpoints could have derived from a free spirited point of view, while The Beatles had to a large degree..fixed grooves . People who sit in the studio and say nothing distract musicians and people who constantly voice their opinions in the studio are obviously not leaving the composition to the composer.

 

Did you ever consider how many times David Gilmour, Roger Waters, and Nick Mason have been "put on the spot" and hounded with just LOADS of questions about Syd Barrett? Interviews, fans..A to Z and years before the release of Dark Side Of The Moon. With those kind of pressures from the outside world, I assume that Pink Floyd would want the studio for themselves only. As a rule , bringing someone into the studio does not work or play well with others due to the nature of the business. Ultimately musicians will feel uncomfortable knowing that this person is observing them creating art. Art is very private and is the reason why creative musicians treat newcomers like outlanders. Some male musicians in the past have brought their girlfriends to studio rehearsals with intentions of spending more time with them than required and because they are in "La, La Land" and feel they are a vital key member of the band, it will be accepted with open arms by everyone IN the band. There are several reactions to think of. One in particular is the feeling that your best friend is slinging something foul into your face. Some foul situation of dictatorship channeled through the stranger or outlander in the studio. You can also easily react to the ignorance being displayed here ..which indicates that your friend , (possibly unknowingly), is taking advantage of you and the other members by assuming that you will all suck it up. 

Edited by TODDLER - March 31 2015 at 11:03

Yoko is da bomb! If only she'd been part of 'Rubber Soul'!!!

TODDLER wrote: I like the argument between Jeanine and the manager. "Well, I'm not going to manage the band with her just because she's your girlfriend"