British Proto-Prog

Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968? Aww my sweet Sventonio, this time I think I am the last person here to answer your question. I am clueless here still as to proto actually stands for I however I do think Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) certainly has prog elements i.e. sitar and B3 organ, plus the moozik has a groovy sexy vibe  Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdB9lTUyshM hugs

Oh Kati, please forget just for a moment that awesome Fly Like An Eagle  the crossover prog song and that proggy album and especially this amazing prog song which is my fav from Fly Like An Eagle  and pleeease take a time to listening to The Steve Miller Band's Song For Our Ancestors  from Sailor. You'll enjoy in the song, I'm sure, and also you'll hear how Pink Floyd was ripped off from The Steve Miller Band's album from 1968 ... Well, okay, it was just in favor of making Shine On You Crazy Diamond  more nice, isn't?

Edited by Svetonio - March 26 2015 at 03:45

Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968? Aww my sweet Sventonio, this time I think I am the last person here to answer your question. I am clueless here still as to proto actually stands for I however I do think Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) certainly has prog elements i.e. sitar and B3 organ, plus the moozik has a groovy sexy vibe  Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdB9lTUyshM hugs   Oh Kati, please forget just for a moment that awesome Fly Like An Eagle  the crossover prog song and that proggy album and especially this amazing prog song which is my fav from Fly Like An Eagle  and pleeease take a time to listening to The Steve Miller Band's Song For Our Ancestors  from Sailor.   You'll enjoy in the song, I'm sure, and also you'll hear how Pink Floyd was ripped off from The Steve Miller Band's album from 1968 ... Well, okay, it was just in favor of making Shine On You Crazy Diamond  more nice, isn't?

Dean wrote: ^ It was an amusing distraction nothing more. This is far more representative of the original Nirvana: Nirvana (UK) were Baroque Pop - this genre of music was another important precursor to Progressive Rock and gives an indication of where the classical/symphonic elements of Prog had their pop/rock musical origins, unlike Freakbeat (which links beat music to psychedelic pop), Baroque Pop has more direct contact with Prog through bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues. Bowie's début album has elements of Baroque Pop.

I had not yet voted above on the poll, voted Nirvana Uk now

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: Dean, are Mott the Hoople, proto prog? This song specifically too? MOTT THE HOOPLE - All The Young Dudes [ HQ remaster audio ]   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkqQj8Z_aVY No - too late to be "what came before" Proto Prog is very much "of it's time" - these bands had to be producing music at a time (and location) to be influential in the evolution of Progressive Rock as we know it. Finding later bands that seem to "fit the bill" is the major problem of trying to define Proto Prog as a style of music (which it isn't), it is a classification not a genre. Genre  = style of music Classification = bunch of unrelated styles (psychedelic pop/rock, baroque pop, folk rock, jazz rock, etc.) It gets even more complicated than that. Two 1968 band can be playing identical style of music - one is

Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: Svetonio wrote: Kati wrote: found another so-called proto song, certainly not helping me in liking what I still cannot tell what it is, except thinking so far all songs the notes are sharp, lack warmth, lacking bass guitar tunes etc, all very blunt and not nice clear in my opinion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKroSJti39I   That style was called Freakbeat, a genre what I mentioned earlier in this thread. By the way, Rick Davies is great as always....   And slightly off the topic - Kati, do you think that The Steve Miller Band would be in Prog Archives' Proto Prog section - as per PA' definition of *proto-prog*, of course -  due to their first two albums from 1968? Aww my sweet Sventonio, this time I think I am the last person here to answer your question. I am clueless here still as to proto actually stands for I however I do think Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) certainly has prog elements i.e. sitar and B3 organ, plus the moozik has a groovy sexy vibe  Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdB9lTUyshM hugs   Oh Kati, please forget just for a moment that awesome Fly Like An Eagle  the crossover prog song and that proggy album and especially this amazing prog song which is my fav from Fly Like An Eagle  and pleeease take a time to listening to The Steve Miller Band's Song For Our Ancestors  from Sailor.   You'll enjoy in the song, I'm sure, and also you'll hear how Pink Floyd was ripped off from The Steve Miller Band's album from 1968 ... Well, okay, it was just in favor of making Shine On You Crazy Diamond  more nice, isn't? this is oh frickin' brilliant! I am so happy right now! Thank you very much, Sventonio!!!! Now why the heck is this not considered prog? Flippin fantastic this is!!!!  Going to replay yay again now !!!

I'm flattered with your positive comment, Kati!!

Edited by Svetonio - March 26 2015 at 04:39

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: Ok fair enough, however I love this song a lot  also Bowie wrote that song for them and I adore him (except his 80's albums I must admit bah those are awful) Mott btw rejected Bowie's first song written for them, called Suffragette City hugs Mott were an established band with four albums under their belt when Bowie approached them (he was a "fan" and heard they were thinking of splitting up). Prior to his involvement they were very much a blues Heavy Rock band as their début single from 1969 shows:

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Edited by Dean - March 26 2015 at 06:22

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: I'm flattered with your positive comment, Kati!! Of course that The Steve Miller Band first two albums were / are considered prog! For example, well know British rock journalist Nick Logan wrote on those albums in The illustrated New Musical Express Encyclopedia of Rock ( Salamander Books, London, 1977) as "the cornerstones of progressive rock" as well. I had Yugoslav version of that great book, in fact the most comprehensive rock-publishing effort in the seventies I tire of your misquoting from that (inadequate) book. He does NOT call the first two albums "cornerstones of progressive rock" he says (and I quote verbatim from an original 1977 English print) "two albums which are still regarded as milestones."  (note the full-stop/period at the end of that quote). 1. Cornerstone is NOT a synonym of Milestone - two different words, two different meanings. 2. The quote does NOT say they were milestones of progressive rock, it just says they were milestones (period). That could imply lots of things, for example: they were a milestone in rock (unlikely since they were not particularly successful on release) or the were a milestone in Miller's career (more likely). He does say that Children of the Future was (and I quote verbatim again)  "...regarded as probably the best example of progressive rock from 1968" - and he says that without qualification and without citing who or where that regarding comes from - in other words it is his opinion NOT fact.

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: SteveG wrote:  Svetonio, you have to follow the protocols and post Steve Miller in the Psych Lounge first. After approximately 50 years it will be considered for inclusion in the proto-prog category.   SteveG, Now you just confused me more hahahaha ...  I was told by Dean that proto was before prog, the music term was invented (this finally started to make sense to me) thus prior to prog, bands can be proto thereafter none can be considered that  hugs xxxx Steve is being sarcastic.

No sarcasm intended. In fifty years times, revisionist history will declare Punk Rock as the past's truly progressive rock music, Johnny Rotten will be declared an retroactive genius after dethroning the formally retro activated Gary Glitter and PA will be changed to the politically correct Punk Archives.Now, you know that this last paragraph will be true.    

Edited by SteveG - March 26 2015 at 10:19