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CPicard 
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 Posted: February 15 2015 at 06:08 |
Yoko Ono. 
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micky
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was there a supposed 5th member to a group that supposedly existed.
If there was a group called the Beatles, it would have obviously have been George Martin.
IF the Beatles had existed, they wouldn't have existed without: John, Paul, George, Ringo OR George Martin.
case closed... all hypothetically of course.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 08:28 |
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George Martin. Without his musical knowledge and arrangements for some songs, and also for his open mind for listening to and trying new things that the band suggested to him. He had similar musical ideas most of the time as the band had, and he gave the members of the band the freedom to do what they liked. I think that he was the right person in the right place and in the right time for the band. If the band could have been signed by Decca I think that the quality of their albums was not the same and maybe their success wasn`t the same. He believed in the band and he signed them to Parlophone.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:10 |
 The Dark Elf wrote:
This is silly. All you have to do is listen to the superb Beatles' Love album to know that without a doubt the 5th Beatle was Sir George Martin. |
I suppose this is a silly question for anyone that's not of my generation and here's why. When the Beatles first exploded on the scene in the early sixties, manager Brian Epstein was touted in the press as the 5th, until The Beatles themselves (George I believe) dubbed friend Klaus Vorrman from Hamburg, Germany as the 5th Beatle. Then the press picked up on Billy Preston's offhand comment the he "had gotten to be the 5th Beatle for a few days. How cool is that!" What is ironic about all this is with hindsight, we recognize George Martin as the 5th Beatle. However, the enigmatic producer was rarely mentioned until after the Beatles broke up. Even Phil Spector received more recognition for his post production work on Let It Be, then Martin ever did for his production work on every Beatles album except Let It Be. Now, how silly was that! 
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:29 |
SteveG wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
This is silly. All you have to do is listen to the superb Beatles' Love album to know that without a doubt the 5th Beatle was Sir George Martin. |
I suppose this is a silly question for anyone that's not of my generation and here's why. When the Beatles first exploded on the scene in the early sixties, manager Brian Epstein was touted in the press as the 5th, until The Beatles themselves (George I believe) dubbed friend Klaus Vorrman from Hamburg, Germany as the 5th Beatle. Then the press picked up on Billy Preston's offhand comment the he "had gotten to be the 5th Beatle for a few days. How cool is that!" What is ironic about all this is with hindsight, we recognize George Martin as the 5th Beatle. However, the enigmatic producer was really mentioned until after the Beatles broke up. Even Phil Spector received more recognition for his post production work on Let It Be, then Martin ever did for his production work on every Beatles album except Let It Be. Now, how silly was that! |
Yes, but quite appalled at Phil Spector's work, The Beatles themselves humbly asked George Martin to return their studio sessions to a modicum of normalcy, or as Paul said, "the way we used to do it". Martin only complied when all The Beatles agreed to follow the previous manner of studio recording. The result, Abbey Road, might rightly be called their greatest recording. Again, proof positive as to who actually was the 5th Beatles.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:47 |
^I absolutely agree! 
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:01 |
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George Martin for me. And why not include Billy Preston or Phil Spector?
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SteveG
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:20 |
Billy Preston's omission was actually an oversight. My apologies to you and Stool Man. Spector is more correctly identified with Lennon's and Harrison's early solo albums, so he gets a pass.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:24 |
CPicard wrote:
Yoko Ono.
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There's always one.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:26 |
Hey, she was listed in the poll. 
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I thought the obvious pick was George Martin, but he was already running away with all the votes, so I gave a nod to Geoff Emerick instead, who brought a lot of the Beatles' most incredible ideas to life between 1966-1969 (excluding the White Album, which he walked out on after a difficult start, and Let it Be).
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 21:05 |
SteveG wrote:
Hey, she was listed in the poll. |
But did that make the choice inevitable? 
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 06:33 |
It depends on one's sense of humor or, rather, on one's sens of trolling. 
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 07:49 |
CPicard wrote:
It depends on one's sense of humor or, rather, on one's sens of trolling.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 09:40 |
The believe the result speaks for itself. 
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 21:09 |
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Stu was the best in the band
You forgot Billy Preston, by the way
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Why not include Eric Clapton then.
Only George Martin contributed creatively to the music. The others are guest musicians, ex-band member, band manager, friends etc.
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Posted: February 17 2015 at 03:57 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
Only George Martin contributed creatively to the music. The others are guest musicians, ex-band member, band manager, friends etc. |
While Martin's contribution is easily overestimated, Yoko's contribution is easily underestimated.
Her influence on John's latter Beatles' work is given and her mere presence in the studio and anywhere where John was we know had an (negative?) effect on The Beatles' creativity.
Same can be said about someone like Epstein. Who really knows what the Beatles (their music) would have been without him?
It's not just about who where in the studio at the time of recording.
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SteveG
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Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:05 |
I agree with Earlyprog. Martin signing the Beatles as well as editing their compositions and arranging their songs orchestrally cannot be undervalued. However, his loss of control over the group in later years cannot be understated. If he had stuck to his guns, "The White Album" would have been a well produced single album that probably would have come close to rivaling Abbey Road. Even Abbey Road shows him in a reduced role with McCartney steering the ship. Mark Lewisolm's book, The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions and Geoff Emerick's book titled Here, There, and Everywhere recounts his experience's recording the group bears this out. (Emerick was an uncredited engineer on Abbey Road). A great early producer? Yes. A great later producer? Questionable.
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Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:08 |
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Edited by SteveG - February 17 2015 at 13:46
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