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TradeMark0 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 26 2014 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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IMO, they're better than a lot of the prog giants, but a better question is why isn't Soft Machine considered one of the prog giants.
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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The most of jazz-rock / fusion is instrumental stuff, but there are also some fantastic jazz-rock / fusion tunes that featured vocals, in various stlyles of the sub-genre; for example Chick Corea's Dear Alice, Return To Forever's What Games Shall We Play Today, Allan Holdsworth's Road Games, Bill Brufford's Adios a la Pasada (Goodbye to the Past), Nick Mason's I'm A Mineralist, Steely Dan's Aja etc, etc. |
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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jayem ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 21 2006 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 997 |
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...Like a ten fingers deep tissue massage !! After their first recordings players would listen to their own music before coming onstage so they feel relaxed in order to deliver their lines....Why not after all !! This is my suggestion for a rephrased debate: "Is massage music predominated by frantic intensity closer to jazz fusion, or prog rock "...
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Skullhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 06 2014 Location: Vancouver BC Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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Camel's great work to me is "The Snow Goose". All instrumental, and considered Prog and not fusion. A lot of KC stuff from the same era was instrumental just like Mahavishnu. KC was also doing lots of improv sounding stuff across structure odd metering. To me, the complexity of the odd metering that MHV put together is even a bit more sophisticated that KC, and certainly rocks harder in general. If the jazz moniker is aimed at too much jazz style showboating.. then didn't ELP also fit that description? Lot's of ELP showboating. |
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TeleStrat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
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You are correct. Some of my JRF albums feature vocals even if only on one or two songs. |
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dr prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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You're no progger if you're dissin this track.
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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LearsFool ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8644 |
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^ And Angus is no true Scotsman because he's dissin' Scotch.
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TeleStrat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
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Skullhead mentioned The Snow Goose which is a great album.
There is a Camel poll going on now and "Goose" is in third place out of fourteen albums.
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TradeMark0 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 26 2014 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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sorry, it was a mistype.
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aglasshouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2014 Location: riding the MOAB Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
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It's hard for me sometimes to listen to them, mostly due to their volcanic intensity, but I do like them under certain moods.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I don't give a rat's ass where they rank around here. For me Apocalypse is one of my top ten prog albums and I hate ranking albums,
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Skullhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 06 2014 Location: Vancouver BC Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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When I think of Jazz fusion, I think of some of the Miles albums from the 70's or Stan Getz or Maynard F. doing rockish jazz stuff. Some of it is really good. Mahavishu seems so much more rock or prog rock than that stuff.
Fripp was very fast and frenetic at times, but both KC and Mahavishu had deep structure under all the intense playing. |
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Jeffro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2201 |
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Much like early Genesis I am just now discovering Mahavishnu and it blows me away. Birds of Fire is just amazing!
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Rando ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 08 2006 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 472 |
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I have fond memories when I first bought Mahavishnu's "Inner Mounting Flame" back in '73 - Along with that album I also bought my first copy of Genesis "Selling England By The Pound." The latter in the Import section- Two masterpieces each with its own virtuoso guitarist! John McLaughlin & Steve Hackett- |
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- Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats -
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1069 |
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I like them but I prefer Weather Report and Dixie Dregs..
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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MO were great....period. No fusion band around then or later played with the balls out intensity they did.
Superb musicians....everyone a virtuoso and that was part of the problem....too many egos clashing in the band. Apparently Goodman and Laird would go at each other all the time. Their first 2 are the best but even the later ones had fine playing though they never achieved that level of intensity.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Rando ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 08 2006 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 472 |
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- True. It's inevitable that such an incredible band would "out-ego" each other and maybe even outplayed themselves on the first 2 albums-But they definitely made their mark and statement with jazz or fusion, although more in a rock context. Later on down the road makes me think of Return To Forever's fusion masterpiece "Romantic Warrior" - ![]() |
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- Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats -
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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Romantic Warrior is a great album.....though I always liked Hymn of The 7th Galaxy better. Prolly 'cause I used to get 'stoned' to that one before I heard Warrior. ![]() |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Intruder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2210 |
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Mahavishnu is exhausting.....the sheer speed and power of the music is impressive, but sitting thru even one side of the first album is a full body experience.....you need a chaser like the first Weather Report album to soothe your frazzled nerves after the all out sonic assault of MO. I've been a McLaughlin fan all my life and have a shelf full of his music, but the first two MO albums are the least played among them.....you really have to be in the mood and that mood doesn't pop up very often. I much prefer Extrapolation, Devotion and My Goal's Beyond from that same time frame.....more melodic, more precise in technique, more soulful, more listenable. Mahavishnu will always have a place in my collection, but their records will spend less time on my turntable.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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