Can Ambient be Progressive?

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   Okay, I'm curious about some of the specific classifications about what 

constitutes progressive rock, or at least, what a band needs to do to be a 

part of this site.

Now I'm a big fan of Brian Eno and he is the pioneer of ambient music. 

His stuff form the 70s is amazing, very long epic minimalist songs with 

mostly undetectable time signatures but are extremely innovative. Brian 

Eno is one of Phil Collins' close friends, and Collins said in an interview 

that Brian would write a handful of chords on a piece of paper, then cut 

up the paper and use those cords in the order that he randomly put it 

back together. 

I know that progressive music is all about being inticately structures, but 

alot of the epics are formulated from long, random, jam sessions (ie 

middle section of PF's "Echoes" or the Apocalypse in 9/8 section of 

"Supper's Ready" and ambient is all about being random and 

unpredictable. 

Final example: Tangerine Dream. They are included on this site as a prog 

band, though I'm currently listening to one of my favorite albums "Zeit" 

and it is a very ambient record.

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Lachrymous Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 24	Topic: Can Ambient be Progressive? Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:22
	Okay, I'm curious about some of the specific classifications about what constitutes progressive rock, or at least, what a band needs to do to be a part of this site. Now I'm a big fan of Brian Eno and he is the pioneer of ambient music. His stuff form the 70s is amazing, very long epic minimalist songs with mostly undetectable time signatures but are extremely innovative. Brian Eno is one of Phil Collins' close friends, and Collins said in an interview that Brian would write a handful of chords on a piece of paper, then cut up the paper and use those cords in the order that he randomly put it back together. I know that progressive music is all about being inticately structures, but alot of the epics are formulated from long, random, jam sessions (ie middle section of PF's "Echoes" or the Apocalypse in 9/8 section of "Supper's Ready" and ambient is all about being random and unpredictable. Final example: Tangerine Dream. They are included on this site as a prog band, though I'm currently listening to one of my favorite albums "Zeit" and it is a very ambient record.

DallasBryan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323	Posted: June 15 2005 at 19:46
	Tangerine Dream and Brian Eno arent historically progressive rock. Tangerine Dream had a period from Statosfear to Force Majuere that they incorporated progressive rock beat with electronic synthesis. Although some of their other output hints at many things from rock to electronic to ambient, etc. The great Kosmiche music of europe is well represented by this time period. Brian Eno is similar with his Another Green World being clearly progressive electronic rock and a few others around this time period hinting at this album which only includes several members that formed Brand X with out the Eno/Fripp influence. To dismiss much of this as progressive rock is to dismiss your head because you cant see your feet!