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    Posted: September 01 2014 at 17:32

Hi,

I did not want to write this review, as it took me a long time to figure out where to come from and how to approach it. In general, for me, it is best not to write when things come up in that manner, which normally means there are things you want and like, and things you don't want and dislike.

So I went to see YES, at the Spirit Mountain Casino here near Portland, Or, and ... and ... and ... and ... when I left the show, what was in my mind was the evening at the Long Beach Arena, after the Tales from Topographic Oceans tour, when I had tears in my eyes, because I knew that no one, not a single band, would ever play a bigger, better and more valuable piece of music than the one I just heard. And I thought the concert was even better than the album, although a bootleg I heard 10 years later would show me that half of it was better the other half was just fine.

I did not have any expectations, as to what this was going to sound like. I had not heard the new singer before (never bothered with his band as yet) and/or the previous singer. I tried to keep an open mind and ear, and I had not even heard the new album and any of its pieces, as I wanted to see how they would jump at me, if they did at all!

This was a show about their early days. From their 3rd album on. And the next album, and then the next album! ONLY.

Which to me was disappointing. In essence the band stuck to the set of music that made them famous in Southern California radio and eventually the biggest staples of the early FM days ... Roundabout and Close to the Edge.

The renditions were good from an instrumental point of view, although I thought that Geoff Downs was tied to having to be way to dependant and close to the correct sound that Rick Wakeman had created, which ... while fine for the folks living in the past, provided to be rather boring for me. I was hoping to hear something new and fresh, and instead I got to hear the same renditions of the same thing for the same few years.

All in all, and you can see it in concert, YES is tied to Steve Howe and Chris Squire being able to work on each other. And they were both very good all night long and Chris was specially sharp, while on occasion it would seem that Steve was trying to find a new scale or sound on his guitar. This, limits the ability and the continuity of what once was the main thrust of this band ... a combination that was very strong, that brought out some amazing music.

In the end, this was not one of my favorite concerts. The only time I got excited was during "I've Seen All the Good People" which was the song that got me to go after the album. It was not a happy time for me, and the album provided a nice uplifting moment.

The singer ... I don't think that people will like what I'm going to say. The voice was fine, and I had no issues with some of his interpretations, although I thought he was trying way too hard to get the message across. By stretching his arm to the left, or to the right as if that circle and movement made some kind of important meaning for the audience to accept and pick up. I found that lacking, and considering the stature of the band, to have what amounted to an amateur carry their material, is not the right thing to do, and given the circumstances and the lack of training and ability, it was like ... he has no idea what the lyrics are about anyway ... well, hell's bells, neither do most of us, up to and including some of us that have this idea of some quasi-spiritual vision that some of the songs are supposedly about.

Maybe it was that in those days, Jon Anderson actually lived the words he wrote. He knew what they meant and he did not have to "show you" what the words meant ... and this shows, even on his foray with Transatlantic! And finding that this version of YES has a singer that is not well trained, or has the ability to take the words and the music to a different level that can carry the band, a lot further ... made it a sad evening for me.

It felt like your best friend, you're both old and sick and tired, and he's on his last days, and you can feel it, and all you can do is remember a few sights from the old days ... the girl you went with to the show, the fun you had later, the moment you first heard Close to the Edge at home all of them ... minute visions in a miriad of years and time and space, long gone, no longer satisfying, that leaves you sad ... you can't bring back the glory. You can't hope for a miracle, because it is not likely to happen anyway, and you will, eventually, just walk away, feeling despondent, and wanting to put it all aside, because it has all become a sad memory now.

I treasure the work this band did in the early days. They were also a vital part of my internal constitution, however, I did not get stuck on the fan thing, and the top ten thing like most people did. I knew more music out there, and more arts. Most people around me didn't! They didn't even know the difference between Chuck Berry, YES and YoYo Ma! But they knew their Rolling Stones and their Led Zeppelin. I had gone way beyond all that into many other bands and music by that time, and YES lost its strength with me after the demise of TFTO and a couple of their members did not have the inner strength to stand by their music, and trashed it for many years. How would you like to trash you own life's work? So you spent over a year putting something together and all it was for ... the public ... was some sort of masturbatory exercise in rock music?

I don't think so.

And it's also ... "I don't think so" about the concert as well. And maybe the band should invest in teaching the young man to sing, and stop with chiche expressions that are meaningless and boring. It might help the band come off a bit stronger than otherwise, some 40 years after the original. In this case, the original was still better ... way better



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2014 at 18:21
The thing that strikes me about the band that is different than the other big Progs, is that they seem to be obsessed with constant touring, in whatever shape they can muster at any moment.

That has struck me as diluting their otherwise stellar careers. I love live shows above all else, and wish others would tour more often, but Yes is just the opposite, and they have run into the ground as a result.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2014 at 07:48
yeah, i noticed that, so are other bands that are with Frontiers. i know Anderson DEFINITELY cannot handle this at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2014 at 10:24
Yes was in Oregon and I didn't even bother to find this out. Oh well, they might be back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2014 at 12:57
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Yes was in Oregon and I didn't even bother to find this out. Oh well, they might be back.

i won't be surprised if that was the case about a year from now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2014 at 20:52
Thank you, Moshkito, for an honest and heartfelt interview.  

I surmised much of what you witnessed, which is why I avoided Yes dating back to the era with Benoit David and Ollie Wakeman.  This version, if anything, sounds even less legitimate. 

One thing I never want to do is destroy my memories of Yes in concert with poor performances.  I've had far too many excellent shows and experiences as you have.  Sadly, I missed the TFTO tour due to the oil embargo of the 1970's (Yes cancelled their show in Champaign, IL since they did not think they could refuel their massive tour fleet on the drive from Chicago!).  

Pity, I had hoped that Jon Davison would evolved into a legitimate singer for Yes.  Some of his work on Glass Hammer's "Perilous" is just stunning.  Alas, he doesn't have the spiritual connection to the lyrics as you pointed out.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2014 at 12:51

Originally posted by CStack3 CStack3 wrote:

... Pity, I had hoped that Jon Davison would evolved into a legitimate singer for Yes.  Some of his work on Glass Hammer's "Perilous" is just stunning.  Alas, he doesn't have the spiritual connection to the lyrics as you pointed out ...

I'm not going to measure his inner connection, any more than I will Jon's.

However, I have come to know followers and fans ... they worship the "image" ... and the only thing I could see were these hands pretending to show us an image of some sort, and sorry ... maybe I know theater and film too well ... but that's insulting! And this all happens in the time of "RAP", where expression today, is no different than Marlon Brando screaming Stelllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaa in the late 1950's!

I can hear Chris telling me off already! But I'm already thinking that he really needs to go get stoned, as Bob Dylan would say! Get Real in other words!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2014 at 17:16
My wife and I saw YES recently in San Diego. I knew the singer did some work with GH, I enjoy also. However she immediately notice that it was not Jon Anderson singing. After explaining to her he was not touring with them , said Davison doesn't have the emotion nor the voice to hit the high notes like Anderson.
We still enjoy the show because Howe and Squire are super talented artists. I guess personally,  Wakeman was not missed as much as Anderson . I saw the band playing in Philadelphia back in 1981.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 09:47
I've had plenty of opportunities to see the neo-Yes, but I cannot see forking out $50 for another legacy show.  I wish Howe and Squire would break away, persuade Bruford to come out of retirement and start a jazz trio a la Gateway with Abecrombie, DeJohnette and Holland.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2014 at 17:56
I have only seen Yes twice.  Both times were with Jon Davison, who I think does a decent job.  That's just exactly what he is though, a jobber.  I'm 31, but never got the opportunity to see Yes with Rick and Jon.  I wasn't really into prog until my early twenties so seeing them wasn't on my radar.  I really wish I'd gotten into prog by 2003 when they did that big tour.  Oh well.

I had a very good time at the show I saw in July.  They sounded great and were very few screw ups that I noticed.  We clearly had very different experiences from eachother.

I doubt I'll go see them again with this line up, apart from on Cruise to the Edge next year.  As far as playing legacy stuff, Steve Hackett is killing it out there right now and his shows seem to have a lot more integrity to them than this slog Yes have been on for the past few years. I get the feeling their record label is coming down on them hard to nearly constantly tour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2014 at 00:12
You know that a major band has gone to hell when they play casinos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2014 at 14:56
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

You know that a major band has gone to hell when they play casinos.
 
Yes, no and maybe.
 
It's hard to fault some of the folks that have done Las Vegas, for example. The likes of Garth Brooks and Elton John will have provided something so special and unique in concert and in person, that you will never see in concert anywhere else.
 
All in all, for these casinos, it is about the band that had "hits' and the audience that frequented the show, for me was not enjoyable, and almost all of it was too old, and no youngsters to speak off. And if that music is not at all enjoyed by youngsters, it will die! It also shows that the oldsters that went there were too alienated and isolated from the rest of society to be able to "share" a moment ... and I found that "hippiedom" way too boring, stupid and pathetic!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 11:20
I saw them play back in February this year and was disappointed.  I thought the sound was great and Jon Davison sounded at least serviceable.  I cannot criticize the musicianship at all.  But the whole show had a time warp feel that was just wrong.  It was very much a show of the past .   And i hate to say this, it does help to update one's look occasionally.  Steve Howe and co. appeared not to have done this for some time. 
Contrast this with seeing Jon Anderson solo a couple of years prior.  He largely played old Yes in a much simpler acoustic format.  But somehow, it was fresh and present oriented.  I felt like I was hearing a living musician rather than an artifact. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 03:02
The last time I saw Yes was with Oliver and Benoit.  That was more of a NO than a YES for me.
You can't take Jon Anderson out of the band.  If they are going to continue, then it should just be instrumental.  It's disrespectful to me.  Jon was the visionary of the band, and his ability to feel those songs in meaning and vocal nuance is critical.

You can't take Steve out either.  The 80's version was fine, but it was a band better called Cinema.

Yes has survived with different drummers and keysboardists. Chris has been a staple of their sound.  Jeff Berlin didn't work for me either.

I saw the great reunion the Jon, Chris, Steve, Alan and Rick.  That was the right lineup.  It's too bad that didn't last.  I don't want to see another watered down version.  Why are they doing this anyway?  Is it just for mercenary reasons? 

I don't understand either why they don't write great Prog stuff anymore either.  The new stuff is just weak and lazy sounding.  Like Jon's solo efforts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 12:46
Originally posted by lobinero lobinero wrote:

... We still enjoy the show because Howe and Squire are super talented artists. I guess personally,  Wakeman was not missed as much as Anderson . I saw the band playing in Philadelphia back in 1981.
 
 
Mostly because we all know that Jon's feelings were honest and much more caring than we give him credit for. And Rick made the mistake of trashing the material for a long time, which (specially for me) brought him down to a nobody level ... you don't go around trashing your work, unless you are an idiot and all you do is take a poop in the middle of the street and tell people to admire the nice pile of steaming heap! Sniff it good, baby!
 
Sorry ... I do not want to sound critical or bad, but you create music, for what? ... and Rick showed that for him, they were just notes and noise and he didn't care. I find that sad and bad and then he wants us to go appreciate "his" work? ... he already trashed much of his previous work! Why should I care?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:00
I saw them in 2013 and agree with what you are saying. I almost didn't go but hadn't seen them before and wanted to experience Howe and Squire at least once. The show was enjoyable but confirmed what I had written in my review of "Fly from Here." This is a band that should have hung it up a long time ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2014 at 08:21
I have seen Yes twice, once on the 90125 Tour - Anderson, Rabin etc etc and then earlier this year when they played CTTE, GFTO and The Yes Album in their entirety.  I can tell you that I much preferred this year's show.  The former gig was a huge disappointment to me - lousy venue (Birmingham NEC), awful sound and appaling setlist.  On the other hand I thoroughly enjoyed the "new" Wink Yes and would certainly go to see them again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:54

This review only confirms my current attitude on Yes live.  I have seen them about half a dozen times, the first being Tormato and the last being the Open Your Eyes tour.  Even though the new material was not at the same standard as the old, I was hoping that they would add new energy and fervor to the new songs.  They played two, I think, exactly as they sounded on the album, and the rest was the classic tunes I had at that show officially burned out on seeing live.  Been there, done that.  Time to move on.  I have spoken with many people in the past, much younger than me, and all they wanted to see was the old material.  It would be nice to see a balance between the old and new on stage; it would be nice to see them confident enough in their new material to place it next to their old; it would be nice to hear them do new material on par with the old; it would be nice to see them do something on stage they have not done in the studio nor have performed two and a half million times, either unreleased tracks or - gasp - improvisations.  I love their music but it seems they are merely resting on their laurels and taking the easy way on tour.  Maybe some solo music on stage, and I don't mean Fragile reruns.  Can you imagine something from Fish Out of Water or some of the more ensemble pieces from Steve's many solo albums?  That would be awesome.  Yes interpretations of Glass Hammer, or The Mystery, or perhaps even Asia and GTR?  It can be done, I tell you, and done well.  The Yes family tree is huge, and I think they should take advantage of it.  At least do something DIFFERENT for Pete's sake!

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