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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2014 at 08:56
^ I have no way of knowing for sure if either of us is right or wrong, but I can say that I agree with some of your conclusions, and disagree with others Wink I agree that a part of PA's appeal to new members is their ability to rate and review, and that limiting/deferring such ability would upset some newcomers. I disagree that every newcomer would be upset, and that all or most of them would turn away from PA.  

Would it be a good idea to conduct a PA referendum, offering for discussion various proposals
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pianoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 22:57
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

^ Really? Not a single soul? How do you know? 


I don't for sure, but I do know that's what attracted me to the site in the first place. And what makes you so sure that I'm wrong? I do agree, however, that 5 and 1 star reviews should require a review. Perhaps, that alone, would be sufficient.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 16:55
^ agreed. I am trying to understand if the concern about introducing these reasonable limitations is based on a speculation, or some concrete facts. I myself do not believe that the influx of new acolytes would dwindle if they were told they can't write gospels from day 1. 
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New members should not be allowed to rate 2000 albums in a week. I have seen members who have been here less than a month and have rated 3000 albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 12:36
^ Really? Not a single soul? How do you know? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pianoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 12:22
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

 Ah the old, rate my favorite new album 5 stars & every other 2014 highly rated album 1 star, cunning plan. 


I have said this time and again:

(1) New members should not be allowed to leave extreme ratings (1 and 5) in the first 3 to 6 months. Once in a while, some people will be joining for reasons that are not most conducive for the success of PA. 
 
(2) And/or require that any extreme rating be accompanied by a review, explaining the decision. I would even extend this requirement to old-timers as well. If you feel passionate enough to call something "a chef-d'oeuvre" or a "piece of trash", you should be able to muster enough energy to add a few words to help peopl understand. 

(3) Limit the overall number of 1- and 5-star ratings to 10% each of the overall number of ratings. In other words, if someone has left 100 ratings, only 10 of them may be 1-star and ten - 5-star. The world is not black and white. 


The problem with that is no one will ever want to join as a new member. Part of the attraction to the site for new members is the ability to rate and review their favorite albums. Take away the ability to give 5 stars for new members, the site will die.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

 Ah the old, rate my favorite new album 5 stars & every other 2014 highly rated album 1 star, cunning plan. 

I have said this time and again:

(1) New members should not be allowed to leave extreme ratings (1 and 5) in the first 3 to 6 months. Once in a while, some people will be joining for reasons that are not most conducive for the success of PA. 
 
(2) And/or require that any extreme rating be accompanied by a review, explaining the decision. I would even extend this requirement to old-timers as well. If you feel passionate enough to call something "a chef-d'oeuvre" or a "piece of trash", you should be able to muster enough energy to add a few words to help peopl understand. 

(3) Limit the overall number of 1- and 5-star ratings to 10% each of the overall number of ratings. In other words, if someone has left 100 ratings, only 10 of them may be 1-star and ten - 5-star. The world is not black and white. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:56
The guy's name is Italian, just like the band he awarded 5 stars to... We have already had cases of friends of bands and artists trying to manipulate the ratings. This may be one such case.
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Originally posted by ProgShine ProgShine wrote:

Guys, maybe we should check this account?

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=53832


Ah the old, rate my favorite new album 5 stars & every other 2014 highly rated album 1 star, cunning plan.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ProgShine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 04:17
Guys, maybe we should check this account?

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=53832
https://progshinerecords.bandcamp.com



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 01:55
^ OK - let you off, this time
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2014 at 01:17
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by David64T David64T wrote:

Originally posted by odinalcatraz odinalcatraz wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I rated Love Beach with 3 stars. Is that inappropriate ??

As long as nobody finds out! Smile


Bad news, Keith, Greg and Carl found out - now they want to know why you didn't give it the full five stars!



They should have called it Sex on the beach Big smile maybe this would have generated positive interest,  Hug
Now, now, Kati....
 
Ermm... EmbarrassedStern Smile .... hihihi... my account was hacked Big smile hehehe ok it wasn't but I can't help it Smile hug Hug
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2014 at 04:03
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by David64T David64T wrote:

Originally posted by odinalcatraz odinalcatraz wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I rated Love Beach with 3 stars. Is that inappropriate ??

As long as nobody finds out! Smile


Bad news, Keith, Greg and Carl found out - now they want to know why you didn't give it the full five stars!



They should have called it Sex on the beach Big smile maybe this would have generated positive interest,  Hug
Now, now, Kati....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2014 at 04:02
They lost 2 stars because they didn't look serious enough on the original cover photo....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2014 at 03:15
Originally posted by David64T David64T wrote:

Originally posted by odinalcatraz odinalcatraz wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I rated Love Beach with 3 stars. Is that inappropriate ??

As long as nobody finds out! Smile


Bad news, Keith, Greg and Carl found out - now they want to know why you didn't give it the full five stars!


They should have called it Sex on the beach Big smile maybe this would have generated positive interest,  Hug
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Does he even know that 1 is poor ?? He may think 1 is the 'Top' ??
I've never rated any album I own with 1 star.....

Tom, remind me to hook you up with a copy of Mythos' `Grand Prix' album then!
.....that's why I don't have that one !! Oh, I do have one I just remembered - Ein Bahn Strasse by Amon Duul II Bassist Lothar Meid - it's woefully poor, pedestrian, bland, schmaltzy string arrangements throughout, basic, predictable melodies, no complexity or any textures, monotonous etc. Yep, a bona fide 1 star album. It probably only sold 5 copies........
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

After 49 Peter Hammill albums, I decided to rate them all with one star


I was sure the next one would be good.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2014 at 18:27
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

After 49 Peter Hammill albums, I decided to rate them all with one star

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There must be some weird Kabbalah stuff going on here .. "Let him who hath the understanding come forth and cast one Star upon seven times seven Albums. "


Edited by Argonaught - November 28 2014 at 18:27
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aussie-Byrd-Brother Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2014 at 17:25
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Does he even know that 1 is poor ?? He may think 1 is the 'Top' ??
I've never rated any album I own with 1 star.....

Tom, remind me to hook you up with a copy of Mythos' `Grand Prix' album then!

Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - November 28 2014 at 17:32
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Does he even know that 1 is poor ?? He may think 1 is the 'Top' ??
I've never rated any album I own with 1 star.....
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