Does Iron Maiden really belong in only 'related'?

Padraic wrote: micky wrote: richardh wrote: However I'm now wondering why Elton John is not included and perhaps a few other artists spring to mind. You may want to grab the nearest available 60ft barge pole. oh sure. there are a good number of artists that could, IMO SHOULD, be included here.  However I've taken my cue from Raff, or her from me as she knows my feelings on this, my days of trying to help complete what the site started, but never fully realized, are over. I have the scars to show for my efforts hahaha. I'm just here for the beer and chicks and to give cyber hot-feet to old friends, and new ones. However IMO the site is not a prog rock website, it LONG since stopped being  that, being thatt fully half perhaps more of the artists here have little direct connection to the prog rock scene of the 70's, they have been declared by some cat to be prog but really are more.. progressive rock artists. Prog like any musical form has its cliches and formulas and the 70's bands played that vein till it bled dry. That is why so many either moved on, or mutated with the times.  Recognzing that is what the site sort of slid towards but never fully accepted it, and probably kept its head in the sand while still thinking it was a prog rock website when very little of it is prog.  Leading minds, and I agree with them think that prog rock is merely a subset of a larger and much more diverse style called progressive rock. my two cents as always. More opinions than sense... but it makes the internet fun. In the end, I'm glad the site is more inclusive and not restricted to "classic", "prog rock", "70s", what have you.  There's a lot of great music I've found here due to the site's inclusive nature.

not just that Pat but also the interesting and varied fans the site draws in of those groups or musical styles the site highlites but are not considered 'prog rock' but definitely fall under the larger progressive rock umbrella, or if one was to include RIO or the electronic stuff... the even larger progressive MUSIC umbrella which the site covers well.  that is why my butt still burns to see the whole 'it is not prog' thing tossed about. Outside of the sympho-maniacs one could argue that bucket just doesn't hold any water. Well then anything outiside of symph, RPI, and (perhaps haha) f**king Neo is not prog either.

I remember well that interesting discussion we (believe it was Brian and me) had here, it was the one time I ducked back into PA's after we retired, when Nearfest crashed and Farfest burned up on the runway...(the year, 2012, that 'Prog' officially died btw) many bands realize in order to survive and prosper you simply can't churn out the same bullsh*t 70's derivative stuff.. ie Prog Rock...it has been done.. and done FAR FAR better already.  Sure we get submissions and bands play that.. good luck finding an audience for it.. the gen pop don't care, and many prog fans don't even care since you are not a NAME group.

Prog fan is a dying breed and has proved by the lack of support to other groups to not give a goddamn about music outside of their nostalgia zone, however there exists a much larger underground movement, which we have been involved with, that supports and encourages progressive music artists and that is where the direction of the music is going and yes... much of it lies in the crossover vein. Others like the brilliant guys (and lady!) from Moraine have tapped into Chinese folk and classical music as an influence and the result are mindblowing.

richardh wrote: aapatsos wrote: ^ who says that in order to be progressive metal you need keyboards? It seems that you have not listened much to Iron Maiden since Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son are actually full of keyboards. Prog-related is a great fit for them. no keyboards are present , they actually use guitar synths but otherwise I agree with your basic point

Tells you how little difference I find between keyboards and guitar synths... same result to my ears!

Wiki says otherwise but would not take it for granted:
Stylistically, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son developed the sounds first heard on Somewhere in Time, although, on this occasion, the synth effects were created by keyboards rather than bass or guitar synthesisers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son_of_a_Seventh_Son#Personnel


Edited by aapatsos - October 28 2014 at 18:09

I found this interview interesting

Michael Kenney, the man behind the keys

richardh wrote: Fearabsentia wrote: richardh wrote: Phil 'the destroyer of prog' Collins must never be let in I don't think Phil Collins destroyed prog, you could say the same thing about any other pop artist. I don't like any pop music, I think it's one of the worst genres of music; however, if we have every other member of Genesis we should have Phil Collins in prog related.  Sorry just my silly sense of humour. I wasn't being serious. Phil and also that great eighties prog supergroup that inspired him Earth,Wind and Fire should definitely be included asap.

hah.  The only keeping Iron Maiden from Prog Metal is the great songwriting and emphasis on tasteful playing.

Unitron wrote: I honestly think Iron Maiden belongs more in Prog Metal then just Related. What do all of you think?

No, they're only progressive metal in rare moments. The main thread of their material, all their material, is intelligent, epic, theatrical heavy metal…but only a few truly prog moments. But then that's so subjective isn't it? The proggiest they get is stuff like "Strange World," "Prodigal Son," "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" and "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son." Steve Harris does, of course, receive bonus points for wearing a Genesis denim jacket when he was a kid, and for the good taste to cover bands such as Jethro Tull and Nektar. So yes, definitely related to our beloved prog! 

Kati wrote: Smurph wrote: Considering 95% of their stuff doesn't come off as prog to me at all, I would say no. And sure Iron Maiden might have introduced many listeners to the direction that Dream Theater expanded on, but I feel like Watchtower had more of an influence than Iron Maiden on that sound.   I see no resemblance between IM and DT, Smurph Instrumentally especially not nor Jimmy the Cheese  I love him but I always cringe while knowing what's coming lol

I suspect DT might see matters differently though ;-)

...also on a related note...