Does Iron Maiden really belong in only 'related'? |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 26 2014 at 20:42 | ||
I had a similar experience but when I went back and investigated again I saw their progressive side. Give Powerslave and Seventh Son another listen.
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: October 26 2014 at 22:57 | ||
They are heavy metal with a side of prog.
But they are still very good heavy metal. |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28363 |
Posted: October 27 2014 at 02:05 | ||
I do like Queen (and it appears that everyone has at least a handfull of Queen songs they like) but I believed (and still believe) that anyone who is not that well versed on prog would find it very confusing to see them listed here. Queen were not like Led Zep or Deep Purple who were part of that late sixties movement that shook music up big time. Queen came a little bit later and they were certainly a very unique band. Perhaps they could be included for their importance in music generally. However I'm now wondering why Elton John is not included and perhaps a few other artists spring to mind. You may want to grab the nearest available 60ft barge pole.
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: October 27 2014 at 14:22 | ||
Have no fear. The way PA is, every band will be included sooner or later, excepting only Phil Collins solo and Boston.
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Fearabsentia
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Posted: October 27 2014 at 14:33 | ||
I forgot I made this topic on my old account.
I'm surprised it's still active, I think I'm in agreement that Maiden is best in prog related. They are just simply one of the greatest bands ever, prog or not. Oh, and about adding Phil Collins, shouldn't he be added to prog related due to him playing an important role in a prog band?
Edited by Fearabsentia - October 27 2014 at 14:33 |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28363 |
Posted: October 27 2014 at 17:53 | ||
Shame as Foreplay is such a great little prog track Phil 'the destroyer of prog' Collins must never be let in
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 27 2014 at 18:00 | ||
Remember this ten years from now when you go to the prog polls section and try to decide between voting for Marky Mark or for The Backstreet Boys.
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micky
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Posted: October 27 2014 at 18:30 | ||
oh sure. there are a good number of artists that could, IMO SHOULD, be included here. However I've taken my cue from Raff, or her from me as she knows my feelings on this, my days of trying to help complete what the site started, but never fully realized, are over. I have the scars to show for my efforts hahaha. I'm just here for the beer and chicks and to give cyber hot-feet to old friends, and new ones. However IMO the site is not a prog rock website, it LONG since stopped being that, being thatt fully half perhaps more of the artists here have little direct connection to the prog rock scene of the 70's, they have been declared by some cat to be prog but really are more.. progressive rock artists. Prog like any musical form has its cliches and formulas and the 70's bands played that vein till it bled dry. That is why so many either moved on, or mutated with the times. Recognzing that is what the site sort of slid towards but never fully accepted it, and probably kept its head in the sand while still thinking it was a prog rock website when very little of it is prog. Leading minds, and I agree with them think that prog rock is merely a subset of a larger and much more diverse style called progressive rock. my two cents as always. More opinions than sense... but it makes the internet fun. Edited by micky - October 27 2014 at 18:31 |
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Fearabsentia
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Posted: October 27 2014 at 18:51 | ||
I don't think Phil Collins destroyed prog, you could say the same thing about any other pop artist. I don't like any pop music, I think it's one of the worst genres of music; however, if we have every other member of Genesis we should have Phil Collins in prog related. |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28363 |
Posted: October 28 2014 at 02:25 | ||
hopefully I'll be dead
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28363 |
Posted: October 28 2014 at 02:28 | ||
Sorry just my silly sense of humour. I wasn't being serious. Phil and also that great eighties prog supergroup that inspired him Earth,Wind and Fire should definitely be included asap.
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jim22
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 03:47 | ||
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 06:16 | ||
I think, since the return of Dickinson in the new millennium, they have a more 'Prog' approach to composition, but they always had their Proggy pieces.
.......and my UBER-FAVE album from them is The X Factor. Quite Prog for much of it. Been a fan since Somewhere In Time. And after all that, I do find it hard-pressed to call them Prog-Metal, only Related seems about right. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 06:30 | ||
yes
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 10:01 | ||
The thing is, while Metallica had a distinct thrash metal phase with an ambitious trio of albums from RTL to AJFA, Iron Maiden always had a lot of straight up metal with the occasional proggy track thrown in the middle. In SSOASS, the ratio got 'equalised' a bit but there's still more of straight up stuff than the prog metal. So they are probably just fine in prog related rather than prog metal. They have enough epics that I wouldn't mind if they were indeed classified as prog metal. On the other hand, that would open the floodgates to plenty of power metal. Even relatively straight up power metal bands like Halloween might have a good case for inclusion.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 10:22 | ||
In the end, I'm glad the site is more inclusive and not restricted to "classic", "prog rock", "70s", what have you. There's a lot of great music I've found here due to the site's inclusive nature. |
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 12:45 | ||
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M27Barney
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 14:33 | ||
Iron Maiden - No keyboards so NOT progressive metal.
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aapatsos
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 14:53 | ||
^ who says that in order to be progressive metal you need keyboards?
It seems that you have not listened much to Iron Maiden since Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son are actually full of keyboards. Prog-related is a great fit for them. Edited by aapatsos - October 28 2014 at 14:54 |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28363 |
Posted: October 28 2014 at 15:29 | ||
no keyboards are present , they actually use guitar synths but otherwise I agree with your basic point
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