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Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:52

Ahh don't worry dear lass - it's all good

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 18:36

Kati wrote:

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Padraic wrote:

Kati wrote:

I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest,

Then you're dead to me.

me too!

Frankly speaking Padraic, I simply ignore what you said. I don’t judge people by their political choices, their beliefs being religions or not and certainly will not judge them by their musical preference.

When someone doesn’t particularly like a band that I do, I try find out what they like and possibly find similar choices to suggest some of my favorite tracks of the band to them because maybe the songs they heard were not the band’s best work etc. this happens especially in prog because of the diverse range. I have been lucky to change some friend’s opinion when it came to TFK and Pain of Salvation for instance. I am very open to trying new albums and love discovering old bands that I never heard before in my life, those are real gems.

I do not own any Rush albums, never seen a gig from them although given the opportunity I would because I know their concerts are a big event. My opinion will make no difference whatsoever to RUSH, it has no affect to their livelihood, they have a huge following, worked hard for it, made it into the hall of fame and deserve it too. Your closed comment to me is ok however does make my openness to the band even a more negative one.

P.S. This goes for you too,Rushfan4

The core of your post is that your mind may be closed to what you have obviously convinced your friends to try out and be open with TFK and PoS....It matters to me nothing if you try to listen to Rush or not, and I doubt others too...but maybe try a dose of your own medicine.

If you have then I recall this post.

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 18:59

I'd say that there albums from the mid seventies to early 80's(up to and including MP)were proto prog metal. There is some power chords and roaring guitar but I don't think that they were pure prog metal because that sub genre had not been developed yet. They were certainly a major influence on it though. Heavy prog is a good category for them.

Edited by Prog_Traveller - September 25 2014 at 19:00

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:15

Heavy-prog in my opinion, they may have had a huge influence on Prog-Metal but I just don't see them as a Metal band. The 2112 suite has it's share of metal though.

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:19

^Yeah man! Headbanger

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:20

Mellotron Storm wrote:

Heavy-prog in my opinion, they may have had a huge influence on Prog-Metal but I just don't see them as a Metal band. The 2112 suite has it's share of metal though.

I agree and there were other moments of metal as well. It's like this Led Zeppelin also had metal moments but I don't see them as a metal band either and heck even YES had metal moments. Tongue

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:21

Padraic wrote:

Kati wrote:

I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest,

Then you're dead to me.

Man i'm still laughing at that one.

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:37

SteveG wrote:

^Agreed! Heavy Prog it is! Hail Rush! Clap

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:41

^No way, Jose!

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 20:02

SteveG wrote:

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Metal? Good grief. Ain't never been nohow near as I reckon.

I second that, Atavachron

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Loud guitar distortion is not the only attribute of metal. Double bass drumming and attitude (plus high pitched vocals) is also a big part and their first album was far from total prog. Take the song Working Man for example and their early reluctance to use keyboards. But I agree that they did evolve greatly from that point.

Bull. Rush has never even flirted with heavy metal. Judas Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions... Rush ? No I don't at all think so.

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Posted: September 25 2014 at 22:26

SteveG wrote:

^No way, Jose!

Hey I resemble that remark....!

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 07:05

Prog_Traveller wrote:

Mellotron Storm wrote:

Heavy-prog in my opinion, they may have had a huge influence on Prog-Metal but I just don't see them as a Metal band. The 2112 suite has it's share of metal though.

I agree and there were other moments of metal as well. It's like this Led Zeppelin also had metal moments but I don't see them as a metal band either and heck even YES had metal moments. Tongue

Yup, other metal moments

Lots of metal moments on Caress of Steel. Then, there's Cygnus X-1 Headbanger

Edited by Jeffro - September 26 2014 at 07:05

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:05

Atavachron wrote:

Bull. Rush has never even flirted with heavy metal. Judas Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions... Rush ? No I don't at all think so.

When Working Man was first played on a small mid western radio station, listeners called to request that the station replay the "new Zeppelin song". And that's no bull. Just because Zep knocked the metal label and were more blues based, that doesn't mean that they didn't play any.

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:10

Min. 87% Heavy Prog

Max. 13% Progressive Metal

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:10

SteveG wrote:

Sometimes there's more important things then assigning music groups a place on a list.

What?

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:14

^Absoutely true, but this is not one of thse times.

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:15

And why is that?

What?

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:19

^Being serious this time, it's the discussion that's generated that's important. Obviously some members see a metal side to Rush and others do not, and that's a skewed view of this band, IMO.

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:44

Skewed maybe, but I fail to see why this requires us to reconsider which subgenre they should be placed in. Discuss away by all means, but you did not open this thread as a general discussion about the various styles of music that Rush produce, you are specifically asking us to reconsider their subgenre placement. If this is not the case then rename the thread and change the OP.

Lots of bands straddle the gaps between genres, this does not mean we should vacillate for hours on end about where they should be or whether they should be moved. If there is a choice of two then there will never be a perfect fit so we pick one that fits best. That is the pragmatic approach and the one we go by and that is why they reside in Heavy Prog.

In this instance moving Rush to Progressive Metal would be misleading and even more inaccurate than leaving them in Heavy Prog, their Metal has a far closer relationship to 1970s Heavy Rock than it ever does to the Progressive Metal that emerged in the late 1980s. Surely we can be sensible enough to appreciate the history of Heavy Rock and Heavy Metal from both a 1970s perspective and a 2014 perspective without kicking up a fuss about whether some members see the metal side of a particular band or not.

Edited by Dean - September 26 2014 at 09:45

What?

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Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:51

^The posted question was not if PA should reconsider Rush as Prog metal but how PA members view the band's music.

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