Led Zep - Prog Side - Complilation

^The folk singer Phil Ochs made a 10 minute suite like song in the 60's called Crucifixion about the murder of JFK. Should that song be considered proggy? And should the artist be considered Prog related?

Edited by SteveG - September 06 2014 at 10:52

^It does not. I was only trying to show you what giving some s&*^ to a topic from me would really sound like. I don't things that seriously was the point.

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^The folk singer Phil Ochs made a 10 minute suite like song in the 60's called Crucifixion about the murder of JFK. Should that song be considered proggy? And should the artist be considered Prog related? I don't know because I haven't heard it; however, Roy Harper's Stormcock is an album of lengthy acoustic songs that I certainly would consider prog. What's your point?

Uh....Harper is listed here at PA already as prog folk.......in case you weren't aware of that.

The Dark Elf wrote: dr wu23 wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^The folk singer Phil Ochs made a 10 minute suite like song in the 60's called Crucifixion about the murder of JFK. Should that song be considered proggy? And should the artist be considered Prog related? I don't know because I haven't heard it; however, Roy Harper's Stormcock is an album of lengthy acoustic songs that I certainly would consider prog. What's your point? Uh....Harper is listed here at PA already as prog folk.......in case you weren't aware of that. And to me a lot of his work, I'm a big fan, is definitely proggy I'm quite aware of Harper's status on PA, thanks, but that was not my point. Steve referred to a 10 minute-long Phil Ochs song rather snidely. I was m merely pointing an album of 10 minute-long songs that was indeed proggy.

Fair enough.....

I would've chosen maybe Ten Years Gone for that list, too, but al of those are great though.

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^The folk singer Phil Ochs made a 10 minute suite like song in the 60's called Crucifixion about the murder of JFK. Should that song be considered proggy? And should the artist be considered Prog related? I don't know because I haven't heard it; however, Roy Harper's Stormcock is an album of lengthy acoustic songs that I certainly would consider prog. What's your point?

One question from you that I never replied to. I get tired of the Prog/Non prog debate at times and give it a rest.

But do you seriously view Stromcock as a Prog album because it has four long acoustic songs? I do not. They are simply four long folk songs that contain a few different movements. I go to other Harper albums to get Prog. Definitely not Stromcock or it's immediate predecessors or followers.

HQ was the first true Prog album by Harper and that's the truth And that was said without any snide intention like the Phil Ochs question.

Song length does not equal progressive just repetition.

Edited by SteveG - September 18 2014 at 14:16

^Sorry Greg, but as much as I like Harper, it would take a month of Sundays and a bribe for me to consider Stormcock prog. Your argument just doesn't do it for me and I've heard countless others over the years also. And countless others also agreeing with me.

No snark, but the psued S. Flavious Mercurious used for Page is a contractual trick that goes back decades. Now how progressive is that?


Edited by SteveG - September 19 2014 at 10:16

SteveG wrote: ^Sorry Greg, but as much as I like Harper, it would take a month of Sundays and a bribe for me to consider Stormcock prog. Your argument just doesn't do it for me and I've heard countless others over the years also. And countless others also agreeing with me.No snark, but the psued S. Flavious Mercurious used for Page is a contractual trick that goes back decades. Now how progressive is that?

I will have to politely call you nuts, and then defer to a critic who referred to Stormcock as "epic progressive acoustic", which to me perfectly defines the album. I don't know how one can listen to a song like "Me and My Woman" and not hear progressive folk.

SteveG wrote: ^These are only different opinions Greg which every one has and I respect yours, so I will not politely call you deaf.

Some opinions carry more weight and are part of a general consensus of informed listeners, critics and musicians; whereas other opinions are lonely outliers, forlorn and whimpering in the wild.

Prog Archives recognizes Stormcock as prog folk, as does Rate Your Music and even wacky Wikipedia.

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^These are only different opinions Greg which every one has and I respect yours, so I will not politely call you deaf. Some opinions carry more weight and are part of a general consensus of informed listeners, critics and musicians; whereas other opinions are lonely outliers, forlorn and whimpering in the wild. Prog Archives recognizes Stormcock as prog folk, as does Rate Your Music and even wacky Wikipedia.

I've been out of high school for quite a while now Greg and will not engage you at that level. My knowledge of American folk music is no doubt greater than yours as I have been studying it on an academic level for over 25 years.

What PA deems as Prog is of no consequence to me. PA are experts on Progressive Rock music, not American Folk music of which Stormcock is based on. I know an extended folk song when I hear it regardless of it's climatic coda, no matter how well it is played or who is playing it.

Who is really the uninformed listener in this conversation?

Edited by SteveG - September 20 2014 at 09:39