Ultravox and beyond

You asked how can I champion someone who is ineligible? The answer is simple - I promoted them in the General Music forum without formally suggesting them for evaluation and without trying to make a case for their "progginess". If I cannot convince myself that they have a place here then I stand no chance of convincing any one else. However, I can recommend them to other people. 

Which is why I only 'presumed'  He needs to explain himself clearly......

Also, I happen to subscribe to the notion that some indeed are more knowledgeable about certain facets of the prog rock umbrella. These people often end up on teams that reflect this. That's why I was part of the electronic team for a bit: I am a big fan of PE and have read a lot about it and it's progression. The same goes for every other team member out there methinks.

In addition to that: the folks who are responsible for the evaluating/adding process also need to be on the same page as PA - meaning having at least some bearings on the different subs, and moreover how we use them. 

Case in point: I have seen a lot of members, who obviously know their stuff and have probably been there with prog ever since it dropped out of Fripp's poop shute back during the Korean war.....yet with ideas on what prog is that simply go against the site. Johnny Winter, Grateful Dead, Free, Cream and loads of other blues rock bands, who probably were immensely progressive for their day yet had nothing to do with prog. 

What I'm getting at is that PA obviously looks for collabs who are on the same page as it. I gather that's how I ended up on the electronic team in the first place. 

Personally I would think it would be nice to have some input from the general board members in some small way .

Maybe the members could all vote and if it's over a 50% yes for inclusion then that could count en masse as one vote for inclusion to add to the collaborators votes. Just a thought.

This is part of the current evaluation list. Let me know when every member has voted on every suggestion:

Unfortunately 10 voters is no more representative than 3, and could even be less representative. And no, it is not the same argument (at all, ever).

Team members are representatives for the whole membership but they, (by virtue of being carefully selected), are not a representative sample of the whole membership. If being "representative" were a team membership criteria then the Prog Metal Team would have members that hate Metal and do not believe that it should be included on a Prog Rock site, at least two team members would like Prog Metal if it didn't have death-growl vocals and we'd have one numpty who couldn't tell the difference between Symphonic Metal and Power Metal even if their life depended upon it. [And the Indo/Ragu Prog team would be composed entirely of people who had no idea that the subgenre existed or what it was about ]. 

With random member voting we would have no way of gauging how representative their votes are or whether they have been objective in their voting - I could go and "no" vote every Jazz Rock/Fusion suggestion without even listening to a single track simply because I dislike JR/F, or I could "no" vote every band from Wiltshire or "yes" vote every band with a female bass-player; or (and this is seriously more likely) I could "yes" vote all the bands I like and "no" vote all the ones I don't like. PA additions are not a popularity contest yet addition voting would turn into one, ask yourself how many people vote for their "favourite" band in Prog Polls instead of actually voting as directed in the Poll question?

As an aside. I have long since stated that majority-voting is wrong, the vote should be unanimous with every team member voting, but this is unworkable (and difficult for me to explain) so we are stuck with majority-voting.

dr wu23 wrote: And allow only a certain number of submissions per month to keep it manageable...?

chopper wrote: I do believe we need a new system to cope with the volume but I'm not sure what the solution is.

I believe this too, and part of the solution lays in scrapping the artist subgenres and having album tagging instead. This way the genre a band resides in would be an automatic process determined by the tagging statistics of their albums (and this could be weighted on album average to ensure that they were placed for their more popular albums). This would also streamline the genre teams down to the four disciplines of Metal, Rock, Jazz and Electronic. Now the teams only have to decide whether the band is Prog or not. 

It would also help considerably if we had a [non-Prog] category for "unsigned" bands where all the Bandcamp suggestions would be placed once a genre team had voted them in. An artist would only be moved out of that category when they have more than a predetermined number of reviews, which would filter out all the bands that are only famous for fifteen people. This category would be subject to regular culling.