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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I couldn't care less whether he is Prog or not, I just wish there were more Bowie's on this planet.
 
Meh.....never was a big fan of Bowie......now there's an artist who fits into that thread on overrated songs/musicians..
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

^^ Ok, that was pretty enough for PA admins to add him as prog related act as well, but it doesn't mean that this fashionable pop artist was produced progressive rock enough for Crossover section. You would never forget what Dean pointed out:
Prog RELATED IS NOT PROG.
Your grasp of this concept appears to be limited and/or somewhat selective.
The question needs to be asked :  whilst I am pleased to have many of these 'Prog Related' entries here at P.A. I wonder why they are included here at all if they are 'NOT PROG' ???  If they cross over into Prog territories occasionally then they should be in 'Cross Over'.........
Let's start up the 'Prog Related Archives' and include 'Buggles'............(whom I find more related to Prog than many 'Prog Related' artists........Confused)
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

^^ Ok, that was pretty enough for PA admins to add him as prog related act as well, but it doesn't mean that this fashionable pop artist was produced progressive rock enough for Crossover section. You would never forget what Dean pointed out:
Prog RELATED IS NOT PROG.
Your grasp of this concept appears to be limited and/or somewhat selective.
The question needs to be asked :  whilst I am pleased to have many of these 'Prog Related' entries here at P.A. I wonder why they are included here at all if they are 'NOT PROG' ???  If they cross over into Prog territories occasionally then they should be in 'Cross Over'.........
Let's start up the 'Prog Related Archives' and include 'Buggles'............(whom I find more related to Prog than many 'Prog Related' artists........Confused)


They're here because they are:

Influential to or have been influenced by Progressive Rock
Considered to have facilitated the development of Progressive Rock in their locale
Considered to reflect some/many of the stylistic elements and the erstwhile zeitgeist from which Progressive Rock emerged.

These are of course very broad parameters as this isn't an exact science but it's all there in the published definition on PA which I think ain't bad. No-one pretends that any of the artists in Prog Related are Prog. They're not. They're related to Prog.

By way of contrast Crossover Prog artists are deemed 100% Prog but their music contains elements we would ordinarily expect to find in more mainstream pop/rock idioms e.g. shorter more concise song structures, classical, jazz and folk affectations, a greater focus on repeated melodic hooks etc. They don't crossover into Prog, they crossover from Prog. Similarly, a very useful definition is provided on PA which should be of particular value to Prog Reviewers.





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O.K. - stands to reason.......
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Bowie is not a prog musician, but his albums are strictly progressive. IMO
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He was very progressive in his theatrical stage act. That being a desperate craft he strongly developed to be combined with his compositions. I saw him in "The Hunger" and it made me think about the many roles he took on during live performances.. Originally influenced by Syd Barrett' s music , his hair style. the makeup, expanded Bowie' s mind into doing unorthodox things. I can't imagine the suggestions that Bowie and Visconti made to each other during those early , so praised recording sessions. Apart from  Bowie talents, we had Mick Ronson who was a fine and perfectly skilled arranger. Arranging the strings for "Life On Mars" as such proved that his work could easily be compared to the string/horn arrangements of Procol Harums Grand Hotel. Think about it. All those progressive or now defined Proto ..elements existed in Bowie' s music. In 71' he performed at Glastonbury Fayre . ...alone with an acoustic. He was a fine singer songwriter and if you dismiss his harder Rock songs from the early albums and focus mainly on his melancholy pieces, it is evident that he was influenced by a more progressive English writing style which was basically his environment.
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in glimps : Yes
in general : No
As allmost every other artists born from the 70's scene, they was inspired by prog because at the time prog was huge. If you would ask Bowie "do you consider yourself as part of the progressive rock movement", im sure he would laugh himself to death.
 
He fits perfect in prog related.
 
 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

After a month and a half it's 22 to 12 that he's not prog.
 
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And as we know, the minority's usually right LOL
Eh?


Okay, it's not enough to say the minority's usually right. (Clearly that's not the case.) Rather, I'll just say the majority's usually, for want of a better word, 'wrong'. Or, 'off'.

Or to quote Mark Twain: "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." LOL

Yes  - So i sad down, paused, refelcted, and came up with this thoughtful answer.....NO
Because, if you have a page like this one, you are protecting a minority in music, if you include everything from the 70's, everything slightly fussioned between two or more genres, everyone that has a few tracks of prog, every band or album with someone famous in the prog circles, you will turn PA into a meltingpot, and it will be no more about this small minority in music that is truely prog....so pause..reflect...and tell me, is David Bowie, an ever changing master of Rock, born from Glam Rock years in the early 70's, or is he a full blown representative of 70's prog rock.

Edited by tamijo - May 15 2014 at 07:27
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Points: 785 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2014 at 23:15
How about Miles Davis? Is he "prog"?

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David Bowie is a chameleon, glam rock some not albums yes, others were ok that's it, however Space Oddity released in 1969 at the same time as in the court of the crimson king is prog to me unless I have no clue what entitles the prog meaning? Also is he is only artist to me to date that managed to sing Jacques Brel songs i.e. My Death and In the Port of Amsterdam, also sang a few Beatles songs and also sang Queen plus pink floyd and made it his own, he owned it! Also America original Paul Simon song he kills it. David Bowie is unique experimental, he to me is progressive, no one sounds like him nor can be compared to him really. xxxxxx :)   

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David Bowie was prog and unique.
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just for the what the heck of it listen to this please, it great!
David Bowie - America - Concert for New York, FULL VERSION
Bowie sitting with his little synth, just perfect :) xxxx hugs to you all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggTjqja8bRQ
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

David Bowie was prog and unique.
 

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

David Bowie was prog and unique.
 
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

David Bowie was prog and unique.
 
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

David Bowie was prog and unique.
 
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and in terms of great guitarists David Bowie had Mick Ronson, Earl Slick, Robert Fripp (yep that's the one), Carlos Alomar, Peter Frampton, Reeves Gabrels and Stevie Ray Vaughan
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

David Bowie was prog and unique.
 
Kati, Big smile   
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yay hello you!!! Hello ProgMetaller2112 XXXX

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I missed you, ProgMetaller :)
and in terms of great guitarists David Bowie had Mick Ronson, Earl Slick, Robert Fripp (yep that's the one), Carlos Alomar, Peter Frampton, Reeves Gabrels and Stevie Ray Vaughan

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The Man Who Sold The World album sounds a lot like prog to me.
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