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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2014 at 01:33
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I wouldn't agree that Octopus is harder to get into than In A Glass House.
I agree. To my ears Acquiring the Taste is the easiest to get into followed by the rest of their four first including Octopus. I never thoroughly embraced Free Hand,  The Power And The GloryIn A Glass HouseFree Hand or Interview the same way. They all contain plenty of greatness I just never really established that kind of album-relationship to any of them. 
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Same here. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2014 at 05:43
I was going to say, I don't think I can fully agree that the first several albums - including Octopus - are more difficult to digest than say, something like "The Power and The Glory". To each his own, though! I just love GG all around.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2014 at 06:22
Can agree that Schooldays is possibly my fave track of theirs.
Something magic about Three Friends.......S/T too.
Even their final album 'Civilian' isn't without merit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2014 at 09:27
I'm doing a bunch of graphic design work this afternoon, and I'm just letting my Gentle Giant discography play Gentle Giant - In'terview. According to iTunes, that's 57 songs, 4.8 hours worth of music.

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Also, does anyone else hear subtle nuances of classic video game music in this stuff? I swear, everything from Final Fantasy to Ghost 'n Goblins was influenced by bands like GG.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2014 at 10:32
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:5 stars
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.

"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.

"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.

"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."

"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.

"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.

"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.

"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."

"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.

(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.


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All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 05:57
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:5 stars
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.

"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.

"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.

"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."

"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.

"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.

"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.

"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."

"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.

(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.


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All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.

I'm just genuinely curious, sir; what is it exactly that causes this one to be unfavorable to you? I only ask because TPATG stood out immediately upon first listen to me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 06:25
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

The discovery of GG is always a magic moment in a progger's life Tongue, ...
'Twas not the case with me. They are not that easy to get into, are you kidding me? Embarrassed
Well neither mine, rather than "discovery" I should have said "the moment you get them" or "the moment it clicks".

I remember buying Octopus for the Roger Dean cover when I was very young and it didn't click at all, it remained getting dust on my shelves for years, and for whatever reason my friends had not clicked with GG either. It was only much later with the internet that I realised that GG were so appreciated in the Prog circles and I gave Octopus some new chances and got some other albums, Free Hand and In a Glass House were the first next ones if I remember well, and then it all started to make sense.

Perhaps curiously the vocals were one of the things which initially put me a bit off, when they were a band who cared about vocal complexity, but their timbres were not appealing to my taste in the beginning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 16:34
Originally posted by PrognosticMind PrognosticMind wrote:



Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My review of The Power and the Glory, I think, remains my favorite review that I've written here:5 stars
Graham Green published a novel of the same name in 1940 that loosely inspired this Gentle Giant work
of genius. The concept of this particular album is the cyclical nature of politics and the
Machiavellian manner in which people engage in them. The music (including the way the words are
sung) reflects the lyrics in an amazing way. Derek Shulman, with his authoritative and boisterous
vocals, speaks for the leader, while Kerry Minnear, quiet and docile, assumes the role of the
unassuming common man. This highly consistent work represents Gentle Giant at their absolute finest.

"Proclamation" This was the first Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and the first time I heard it, I
thought to myself, "What the hell am I listening to?" I was so dismayed that I had bought their
previous album that same day! The truth about Gentle Giant for many people though, I suspect, is
that their constant eccentricity makes them quite an acquired taste (no pun intended). For a young
man with preferences of symphonic and heavy progressive rock, this album took a few listens to
really appreciate and enjoy. The first thing one hears on this album is the cheering of a large
crowd, setting the stage for a popular leader's ascension to power over a nation, which are exactly
what the lyrics describe (from the perspective of the new chief). The music relies on piano, both
electric and otherwise, a grooving bass and drum pairing, and some peculiar arrangements, including
something like "Flight of the Bumblebee" in the middle. After a frightening and commanding vocal
section, the music becomes hushed and a bit disturbing, until the final verse comes in, much faster
in tempo than the two that came prior. The song ends with further applause- the coveted approval of
the people.

"So Sincere" Naturally, this was the second Gentle Giant song I ever heard, and my reaction was
even more pronounced then when I'd heard the previous song. I was positive that Gentle Giant was
just some weird band I would never like; remarkably, this proved not to be the case, and even this
strange little number (which I had skipped over multiple times in the past) grew on me. It begins
with an awkward riff that relies heavily on strings. The vocal melody is even weirder, but is an
integral element of the song, which is about the genuineness of the leader. It is telling that the
word "sincere" is cut off at times to produce the phrase, "so sin." The guitar solo is highly
enjoyable, highlighting Gary Green's crucial role in fitting in with such unusual arrangements.

"Aspirations" The only quiet and straightforward song on the album, "Aspirations" features quiet
electric piano, acoustic guitar, and Kerry Minnear's soft, lovely singing voice. The mildness with
which this song is performed reflects the meekness of the populace, entreating their leader to lead
them to glory, and assuring him that they are behind him. They express their complete assurance
that their leader will make all their "sorrows gone forever."

"Playing the Game" The crowning moment of the record, "Playing the Game" has a couple of recurring
themes that use Gary Green's guitar to great effect, one of which is situated after each verse, and
one that starts off the song and serves to bridge the verses. The ascending bass played during
certain repetitions of the first theme is a good approach and lends variety to a musical motif that
could have otherwise become stale. Kerry Minnear has a brief and quiet vocal part as the song fades
out in the middle before a bass riff explodes into an excellent organ solo. In the lyrics, the
leader asserts his invulnerability, pointing out that everything else exists for his purposes.
Derek Shulman gives an energetic but controlled vocal performance, demonstrating both the
authority's unbridled confidence in himself and his exacting strategies.

"Cogs in Cogs" Despite the leader's efforts, he confesses that his empty promises have not paved
the way, and now the cogs of discontent are turning. The music is fast paced and frantic,
reflecting the mounting panic of the person in charge. The piece is tightly orchestrated, and,
along with the songs immediately before and after, was one that kept me returning to this album
until it all "clicked" with me.

"No God's a Man" The music features some springy clean guitar and intriguing arrangements. It is
another highlight. The lyrics describe the cyclical nature of power, how, even after the rise of a
great and popular leader, the vacillation of the minds of the people can quickly result in a
revolution. In typical Gentle Giant fashion, the vocals overlap one another, here giving the
impression of the general population (many people out on the street, for instance) speaking about
their current state of affairs and being in agreement.

"The Face" A Cajun feel accompanies the beginning of this piece, with violin and tambourine, and
guitar and bass accompanying. The instrumental section is incredible, yet another example of Gentle
Giant's creative greatness. Green gives a respectable guitar performance, also. The words describe
a leader who realizes how unpopular his direction has become, but still urges his associates to
"wear the face that is sorry."

"Valedictory" This is a heavy rock number that reprises the melody from the first song. The
lyrics, however, reflect the opposite idea: The leader establishing his authority in "Proclamation"
is pleading with his uprising people that "things must stay; there must be no change." The very end
of the song is the sound of a tape player rewinding, perhaps inducing us to return to the beginning
and listen to the album again- or maybe reminding us that whoever assumes power after this leader is
deposed will experience the very same cycle.

(Bonus Track) "The Power and the Glory" Typically I do not review bonus tracks, but I'll make an
exception here. This short piece carries the classic Gentle Giant sound, but is much less complex.
According to one source, it didn't make the album because it had not yet been written (and Ray
Shulman thought it was the worst of three "atrocious" "commercial" songs they'd written for the
record company). Regardless of his opinion, the song is well worth having if you can get the 35th
anniversary release.


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All this for the band's limpest, most lackluster effort (among the decent ones). There are those with a lot of time on their hands.

I'm just genuinely curious, sir; what is it exactly that causes this one to be unfavorable to you? I only ask because TPATG stood out immediately upon first listen to me.


It's limp and lackluster, and certainly unassured of itself; generally pales in comparison to all earlier efforts. Can't say it enough. Do like "Cogs in Cogs".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 19:45
The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 22:18
Originally posted by Genital Giant Genital Giant wrote:

The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.

Not true. The debut album through In a Glass House offers up what made Gently Giant riotously boss and bitchin'. I'm afraid you missed it, so back and give the pre-TPATG albums another go round.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2014 at 12:46
Originally posted by Genital Giant Genital Giant wrote:

The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Genital Giant Genital Giant wrote:

The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.

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And I suppose Giant For a Day and Civilian went on to magnificently conclude this wonderful era for the band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2014 at 13:19
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Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

omfg, i am one step closer to checking these "monster musicians" out one of these days. if you say that its THAT complex, im listening to it. and im 15 for crying out loud!!
You're gonna freak out Tongue  (but don't understand "complexity" in the modern meaning of Prog-Metal, Tech-Extreme etc).

ill keep that in mind lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2014 at 13:29
Originally posted by Genital Giant Genital Giant wrote:

The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2014 at 02:18
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Genital Giant Genital Giant wrote:

The Power And The Glory is a great album for GG. To me it kicks off their best period with their most sophisticated and mature music. TPATG followed by Free Hand and then Interview is the band's best work, as far as I'm concerned.

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And I suppose Giant For a Day and Civilian went on to magnificently conclude this wonderful era for the band.

Gentle Giant freely admit they stopped being a prog band after Interview so what you say is a bit fatuous tbh.


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Gentle Giant freely admit they stopped being a prog band after Interview so what you say is a bit fatuous tbh.
Oh...so then they were trying to be a prog band before that.
That explains it then.
 
 
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I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2014 at 18:16
Originally posted by Ludjak Ludjak wrote:

I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.

Giant for a Day has Thank You and Friends which I think are both great songs Some of the other tunes are a little weak. As far as Civilian goes I think it was a great prog/pop album with no weak tracks. I still play it frequently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2014 at 18:52
Originally posted by Ludjak Ludjak wrote:

I think I'd still rather listen to Giant for a Day and Civilian than anything Genesis recorded after Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left, to be honest (not to mention most of Jethro Tull's 80s and 90s output). Just because it isn't "prog" does not make these two records that bad.

True, but it's still just poorly crafted pop music. It seems selling-out was a popular thing to do in the 80s.
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