Worldwide solidarity with Gaza

If a man slaps you in the face you don't punch his kids.  

I actually support Israel.

Mellotron Storm wrote: I'm in complete support of Isreal here, they have the right to defend themselves from terrorists. The cowards hide amongst the women and children not caring that they put them at risk. I'm so glad our government is 100% behind Isreal.

Finnforest wrote: I stand with you Sagi and with Israel.

Thank you guys for your support! I know it's hard to see what's actaully going on when you look at the numbers of casualties. The man's first instinct is to go with the weaker side and the one who got much more casualties on his side, but guys there's a bigger story here.

For everyone who have an opinion, that'll be nice to hear some suggestions to solve this matter.

Sagichim wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: If a man slaps you in the face you don't punch his kids.   I will if stands behind them as a shield, and then peeps again to go for another one, hoping I will spare him because of his children. That's what happening in real life btw. Just today I watched a video on the news, showing a tunnel coming from the parents bedroom (used to smuggle ammunition) and in the kitchen childrens plates with last night's dinner, this is nuts. You can't hide behind civilians firing missiles and complain about me killing the ones you're hiding behind.

It's a horrible situation for Israel and the Israelis.  But they have the technology not to bomb hospitals and schools that they know are UN run and kill children and UN staff that they have been told are there. 

I just don't know what they think they will achieve? Even if there are terrorists and missiles there then they will soon be replaced.  By killing children all they do is create new 'terrorists' for the future.  When 4 year olds start holding a grudge then you know you are in trouble. 

I try and imagine what Ireland would be like now if when the IRA had bombed London we had then started sendin missiles over to Ireland.  I suspect that things would be very different.  The only thing that has even the slightest chance of success is 'jaw jaw'. 

I really can't be arsed to debate right now... Plus I don't know enough about the subject (my position is supporting Palestine at the moment, but that may change, or may not, once I know a lot more). However, I improvised the score to a film (along with a bass player and a drummer) that covers this very issue, so I feel it's probably relevant.

lazland wrote: That is the absolute key to this. This will never be solved as long as Israel's neighbours, most of whom are run by utter lunatics, terrorists, or religious fanatics, have, at their core, the constitutional right to destroy Israel.

Oh, and Russia wants to annex the old empire again. Guess we should get out the guns, eh? You're not really getting anywhere with the paranoia argument. Well, except maybe deserving the endless war you make in the process.

(Also, lol @ bolded.)


Edited by Gamemako - July 26 2014 at 17:00

Gamemako wrote: lazland wrote: That is the absolute key to this. This will never be solved as long as Israel's neighbours, most of whom are run by utter lunatics, terrorists, or religious fanatics, have, at their core, the constitutional right to destroy Israel. Oh, and Russia wants to annex the old empire again. Guess we should get out the guns, eh? You're not really getting anywhere with the paranoia argument. Well, except maybe deserving the endless war you make in the process. (Also, lol @ bolded.)

f**k you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

^ look at your country first then criticise Russians

Sagichim wrote: For everyone who have an opinion, that'll be nice to hear some suggestions to solve this matter.

The matter should have been resolved back in the 40's and 50's and the longer the solution is not given the worse it becomes (see also illegal occupation of northern Cyprus).

I do feel for both nations and their casualties but not necessarily for their political leaders. And of course the west, through the centuries, has only looked at its own benefits from the region, thereby letting the problem continue to grow.

Simple condemnations of practice and illegal activity do not really help. A solution could arise when the big powers get interested in something like this

LSDisease wrote: Gamemako wrote: LSDisease wrote: ^ look at your country first then criticise Russians I think you missed the point. I'm applying the obsessive ethnocentric paranoia of Israel to Europe, where the justification would seem pretty hollow. Russia may want its lost territories back, but starting a shooting war with Russia over that belief would be pretty goddamn nuts. Russia is not a problem. Israel is not a problem either. The problem is the US and their banksters. As always. They accept any war if they make money. Goddamn motherf**kers.

Biased much?