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Rednight
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Posted: July 20 2014 at 19:44 |
The Doctor wrote:
The T wrote:
You should sue them. |
Damn. Beat me to it. |
Captain, your response is both unnecessary and illogical.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 20 2014 at 19:52 |
Let's see (just for the fun of it) how long it will take for it to hit Rednight.
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infocat
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Posted: July 20 2014 at 23:47 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Let's see (just for the fun of it) how long it will take for it to hit Rednight. |
It took me several days (hit me just now), so...
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-- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth.
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Sinful
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 00:21 |
I would say of all the popular progressive rock, Genesis tops the list of hardest to enjoy their finest non-radio hits.That is it takes longer , but then it never loses the magic, in fact it stays with you as no other band quite ever can, in my opinion.
It also makes tons of difference after you see them play something like Supper's ready live, there is an essence to that song that can never be fully understood until you see them play it live.
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richardh
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 01:49 |
Dellinger wrote:
I would think using the word overrated for a band most people here love is a bit trollish. It's been discussed before, though I think I've not seen the argument for a while now. If he had said he didn't like Genesis as much as most people here, surely he wouldn't have received such harch responses. However, sayin they are overrated implies that everyone who love the band are wrong, which is a very pretentious thing to do. |
its a while since I was accused of 'trolling'. I well remember calling Roine Stolt a 'fraud' some time ago and that was probably a trollish comment. Suggesting some band is overrated is relatively tame by comparison. This reverence to Genesis can get quite annoying at times. Yes I do think some of their albums are overrated but in fact I reckon most of the classic prog of the early seventies is overrated and none of it ( yes NONE!!) is perfect. It was a great time for innovation and ideas and I of course love many of the groups otherwise I wouldn't be here would I? Oh well all hail Banks , Rutherford , Collins , Gabriel and Hackett
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Rednight
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 11:11 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Let's see (just for the fun of it) how long it will take for it to hit Rednight. |
If that's your idea of fun, fella, well...
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Gerinski
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 12:19 |
The first Genesis album I heard was Foxtrot and it blew me away, mostly side B (side A would as well in time, but it took longer), then the next was Selling England and oh my god, just that vocal intro to Dancing With The Moonlight Knight... this was heaven, this could not be real... then after the great Dancing and the rather insipid I Know What I Like Firth, wtf?? and Battle Of Epping Forest, After The Ordeal, Cinema Show... ??? whow, this was an album as good or better as anything I had heard at the time. 35 years later I still think the same
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 13:05 |
lazland wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
..... THE No 1 Symphonic Prog Release of all time - though plenty of people units on this site ARE GOING TO ARGUE THE TOSS..... |
My toss is bigger than your toss |
So we're both t**sers...Is that news to anybody who reads our posts?
I can live with people not sharing my love for early seventies symphonic prog....I myself struggle with some stuff that other people find sublime...Gentle Giant for instance......and KK and VDGG...but that's probably the Avant Garde seventies stuff....
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prog4evr
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 18:53 |
Mirror Image wrote:
Welcome to the magical world of Genesis! Isn't it a wonderful feeling when this band 'clicks' with you? Genesis are my absolute favorite band of all-time. From Trespass up to Wind & Wuthering is, for me, some of the greatest rock music ever recorded. There's just something incredible when Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Rutherford, and Collins create music. I would highly suggest trying Foxtrot or Nursery Cryme next. I don't think you're 'ready' yet for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, but don't ignore this masterpiece. It's simply amazing from start to finish. A lot of people prefer disc one to disc two, but I love them both equally. Happy listening!
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Do you have a "mirror image" into my mind? You have said absolutely everything I feel about Genesis as well...
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 19:42 |
prog4evr wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Welcome to the magical world of Genesis! Isn't it a wonderful feeling when this band 'clicks' with you? Genesis are my absolute favorite band of all-time. From Trespass up to Wind & Wuthering is, for me, some of the greatest rock music ever recorded. There's just something incredible when Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Rutherford, and Collins create music. I would highly suggest trying Foxtrot or Nursery Cryme next. I don't think you're 'ready' yet for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, but don't ignore this masterpiece. It's simply amazing from start to finish. A lot of people prefer disc one to disc two, but I love them both equally. Happy listening!
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Do you have a "mirror image" into my mind? You have said absolutely everything I feel about Genesis as well...
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Good to meet another Genesis fan.
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“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Jeffro
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 20:12 |
Horizons wrote:
Now, Mars Volta until the same feeling hits you. |
Listening to the Bedlam in Goliath right now and it's hitting me. Whoa!
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Sinful
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 00:21 |
I was just thinking the same thing, and how I would love to be back at that time again.
I first came upon Genesis when I was in a record club in the late 70s, and the record clubs would send the record of the month if you did not send the card back in time, their way of getting you to buy more. And I sent most of those back asap, except for one called And then there were Three. When I first listened to it, I was intrigued,but did not quite grasp it yet, but I kept it, I wonder now what I really felt then the first time hearing it. All I remember was it was enough to keep it. It was a few years later that I heard Seconds Out , Dance on a Volcano/Drum duet/Los Endos, that definitely hit square in the erogenous zone, and It was being played that day because they were playing in Chicago on the Abacab tour, so I jumped in and bought tickets. I remember meeting a roadie outside the arena the day of the show and asking him if they were very good live.DOH! We sat way back in the balcony, but we were completely floored.
The next tour was the Three Sides Live tour and I was all over that and scored 5th row seats at Poplar creek outdoor music theatre, That was the most incredible, fabulous show ever! Started with Dance on a volcano , peaked with Suppers Ready, and ended with .Watcher of the skies.
So In a way I feel sorry for someone who is just finding them because of the lack of tours, but I also envy you, Enjoy the magic of Genesis.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 16:41 |
Mirror Image wrote:
richardh wrote:
Nice band but a little overrated |
Complete BS IMHO. How are they overrated? I think they deserve all the accolades that can be given to them. |
The pop version or prog version of the band? Let's not forget that their output can be split into at least two groups with one being predominantly prog and the other predominantly pop. I actually like much of the pop output but realize they were in a sense two different bands. That said there was a transitional period from about 78-82 where they played music that sort of straddled the line between both genres. After that it was predominantly pop imo.
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richardh
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:58 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
richardh wrote:
Nice band but a little overrated |
Complete BS IMHO. How are they overrated? I think they deserve all the accolades that can be given to them. |
The pop version or prog version of the band? Let's not forget that their output can be split into at least two groups with one being predominantly prog and the other predominantly pop. I actually like much of the pop output but realize they were in a sense two different bands. That said there was a transitional period from about 78-82 where they played music that sort of straddled the line between both genres. After that it was predominantly pop imo. |
Gabriel Years 1975-1980 Beyond
IMHO
its the the middle bit that I like that best. The last bit is certainly not overrated by most people.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 09:26 |
Genesis it me with Seconds Out. After that, they just started to run away. Slowly at first before picking up speed. Cowards.
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:19 |
The problem with the Seventies Prog super-bands is that they were influenced by a lot of main-stream pop of the sixties - compare that with the prog bands of today who are influenced by seventies prog....The only way to out-do the seventies is to become far more OTT and self indulgent.....look at Flower Kings - with a helluva lot of tracks longer than Suppers ready and the ambitious - 79 minutes of the Whirlwind...I'm not sure that Banks/Rutherford and Collins are/were as into the more bombastic music and tried to morph into an eighties Beatles outfit with motown influences.....Mind you their bank-balance was boosted somewhat - so that's possibly more of the reason - Banks's dad was a merchant banker - so eventually making money becomes the motivating factor - and only crappy pop music can fulfil that criteria!
Edited by M27Barney - July 25 2014 at 10:20
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:56 |
^ Assuming you were stone cold sober when you typed same,
what possible mitigating factors can you cite that would assuage the
spurious bollocks that appears to have informed your appraisal of the
subsequent development of Prog from say, 1979 onwards? Tony Banks father clearly did not monopolise the propogation of 'merchant bankers'
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Gerinski
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 11:13 |
M27Barney wrote:
The problem with the Seventies Prog super-bands is that they were influenced by a lot of main-stream pop of the sixties |
yeah I hear a lot of The Mamas and the Papas, The Ronettes, Ike and Tina Turner in Foxtrot and Fragile... OK if you mean a bit of the late 60's Beatles, Rare Earth, The Moody Blues or Cream, well, of course everybody gets influences from what precedes him, but the Prog 70's super-bands created a new genre, their influences were not the main ingredient.
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:43 |
taken quite out of context as usual....Sigh...
Despite the fact that Genesis were exposed to the classical music when at their public school - I reckon that they (as teenagers) were far more interested in the disallowed - pop music they were exposed to in the mid sixties - and that would have been The Beatles and the Rolling Stones....Animals (all main-stream pop in the mid sixties) - Fortunately for us all - They chose to strike out in a singularly new way (1970-75) - producing some of the best Symphonic Prog that has ever been recorded - it was carried forwards a bit after Gabriel left (1976-77) and then Hackett did one and Collins got his way with Banks/Rutherford very much on his side and produced a pop-oriented album...followed by more and more commercially viable output.....
The fact is that they still could have produced the calibre of Selling England again - but never chose to...in fact once a bit minted - they could have produced whatever they chose....and still they churned out garbage...A Geezer I worked with in East Anglia Bumped into Rutherford on a shoot somewhere in Norfolk who told him that he preferred the later stuff and was somewhat embarrassed by their earlier output...That disappoints me but does not surprise me...
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:45 |
Anyway a quick one what is the significance of the date 18/09/2012 ??
Edited by M27Barney - July 25 2014 at 14:45
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