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Unitron ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: April 29 2014 Location: iceland Status: Offline Points: 56 |
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I honestly think Iron Maiden belongs more in Prog Metal then just Related.
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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^Always loved that Genghis Khan atmosphere in the superb album 'Piece Of Mind, anyways I don't think so.
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altaeria ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 05 2004 Location: Philadelphia Status: Offline Points: 178 |
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I think they're labeled that way because they aren't really "Prog". Mostly just Metal. Calling them "Prog Metal" would kinda be false advertising. ![]() Granted, they do have a handful of tunes that fit the description. The second half of the song "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" (1988) certainly introduced listeners to the direction that Dream Theater expanded on. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^^ I agree.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Smurph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
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Considering 95% of their stuff doesn't come off as prog to me at all, I would say no.
And sure Iron Maiden might have introduced many listeners to the direction that Dream Theater expanded on, but I feel like Watchtower had more of an influence than Iron Maiden on that sound. |
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Let metal be metal, that's what I say. Why should prog steal away all the good ones?
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Perceptive but slyly disingenuous post certainly i.e. can we somehow assimilate all good metal into PA under the guise of progginess aforethought? |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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What's a Genghis Khan atmosphere? ![]() On second thought, I probably don't want to know. |
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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^I suggest you check out two songs of that album (one for sure is To Tame a Land) - listen to that guitar solo melody and read the lyrics (oh yes! in this case I didn't hesitate to read almost the whole album).
People who enjoy Piece Of Mind know what I'm talking about. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I know the album well. To Tame a Land is based off of Dune, so I'm not sure what Genghis Khan has to do with it. |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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They're certainly about as far as a heavy metal band can go before they become prog. I'd probably say Queensryche isn't really very prog metal either. In fact Maiden doesn't shy away from it these days at all (see: Isle of Avalon and The Talisman from The Final Frontier)
I think In general Maiden makes longish songs with many parts and solos, but at their heart they are usually just long normal metal songs. Interesting all the way through with great solos, but not really prog. |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I agree with you wholeheartedly but wondered why you felt the need to post such a notion using subtle camouflage. Yes, why can't a metal band be adventurous, inventive and prescient and still remain plain vanilla metal which pushes the boundaries of the genre i.e like any progressive artist in any chosen genre? It's a pity that our favorite pets sometines get mistaken for members of the family. |
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Unitron ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: April 29 2014 Location: iceland Status: Offline Points: 56 |
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I'm a metalhead,so of course I do give metal the credit it deserves; however, I just thought Iron Maiden would fit into Prog Metal just fine.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17869 |
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Lets add another level......
Prog Metal Related ![]() |
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LittleMilton ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 05 2013 Location: Midwest Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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newbie alert: where do we find
these musical categories
that are referenced in the OP?
thanks
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Just below the main banner, there's a link for each of em. Gives a definition, numerous examples, etc. Not all of them are used universally (i.e. outside of this site), but they came in handy somewhere along the way, so we use em. |
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zravkapt ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 12 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6446 |
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Well they are proggier than some bands actually in PM (won't name any names). I also think it's fair to say that if Maiden never existed, then Prog Metal most likely would not either.
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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Ghengis Khan and his troop invaded that lands and then they hailed him as 'The Trooper' hahahahahahaaa Nah... I'm joking. Right on Padraic ! Interesting observations you made about that track - based off of Dune, I never read that book, and only once watched the epic film some decades ago, but sure it must be an interesting book. I had to read again the lyrics - I mistook the correct king's name "Kwizatz Haderach" for "Genghis Khan" (the mongol emperor), not at all an arabian related hahahahh. My memory played me a funny joke when I wanted to mean that I felt an arabian atmosphere while listened to that guitar melody and all that arabian names (Arrakis, Muad Dib, Caladan and Gom Jabbar), btw the only part of the lyrics I still don't get is: ..."and (Kwizatz Haderach) will take the Gom Jabbar." Edited by Rick Robson - May 16 2014 at 17:17 |
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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^ Epic, historic, fantasy lyrics right there. Go Harris. His bass on To Tame A Land is jaw-dropping.
Same with Alexander The Great from Somewhere In Time. Maiden will always be a 'Metal' band, but one of the 'Proggier' sounding ones. |
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