Damn Animals with Pink Floyd is overrated!

M27Barney wrote: I know that the new wave / punk phenomena circa 1976 onwards was far more complex than my nutshell summation. Bottom Line mattered....and the music industry didn't like the way that (especially progressive rock monsters like Yes / Wakeman / ELP) were dictating their musical direction...thus the leverage than the punks gave them was used to it's maximum potential. Floyd , however were far more marketable and profitable so were not targeted as "Dinosaurs" like the other (better) prog rock outfits! But anybody who prefers DSOTM to TFTO is entitled to their opinion but surely on a pop lovers site and not Progressive archives surely???

It's a common misconception (even from this website) that Punk killed Prog. This is palpable nonsense as Prog was on its knees and flagging long before Punk emerged and briefly took up position centre stage circa 1978. Bona fide Punk was never intended to be mainstream and was always outsider/outlier music. The version of Punk the masses got to see was the High Street fashion brand engineered by Malcolm McLaren, Vivienne Westwood, Anya Phillips et al (Cash from Chaos, Turning Rebellion Into Money, Passion is a Fashion were the buzzwords dahling) Prog had been steadily losing its audience for some time and the largest record companies would have viewed Punk's ability to produce and distribute its own releases via a proliferation of small independent labels with complete horror. What leverage is to be gained from the emergence of thousands of small competitors? I do accept however, that the so-called 'prog monsters' would have been about as popular with their paymasters as a fart in an elevator circa 1978, and as you say the bottom line matters, so the market ultimately decides what the masses get to see and hear. The only practical alternative to guarantee minority interest music not disappearing completely is a subsidised arts program, and that truly is the road to perdition. (The hideous carbuncle that is 'World Music' appears to subsist entirely on this basis)

That's kind of the point.  Anderson remained a hippie.  That is his personal choice and I respect that.  But Floyd were more in touch with the people and seemed to grow up, seemed to voice the same concerns that maybe their audience had.  If one doesn't like to hear that being put on a record, that's fine but to conclude that to be trying to make music that sold is naive.

rogerthat wrote: M27Barney wrote: Floyd , however were far more marketable and profitable so were not targeted as "Dinosaurs" like the other (better) prog rock outfits! They were also prepared to write about Mary Whitehouse or Thatcher.  Now Genesis with Gabriel in tow might have been game for that stuff but Jon Anderson always seemed to be oblivious to the stuff that mattered to people at the time.   M27Barney wrote: But anybody who prefers DSOTM to TFTO is entitled to their opinion but surely on a pop lovers site and not Progressive archives surely??? A rather illogical statement from one who has shown inclination to use the laws of physics to dissect the lyrics of Time.  If I like one album more than the other, I like it, period. How does it matter where I am stating said opinion?  I also like Red or LTIA way, way more than TFTO and I am quite sure they are at least as prog, if not more so, than TFTO.  So it has nothing to do with liking pop music.  But maybe it has a lot to do with your pretentious way of looking at music.

I know that the new wave / punk phenomena circa 1976 onwards was far more complex than my nutshell summation. Bottom Line mattered....and the music industry didn't like the way that (especially progressive rock monsters like Yes / Wakeman / ELP) were dictating their musical direction...thus the leverage than the punks gave them was used to it's maximum potential. Floyd , however were far more marketable and profitable so were not targeted as "Dinosaurs" like the other (better) prog rock outfits!
But anybody who prefers DSOTM to TFTO is entitled to their opinion but surely on a pop lovers site and not Progressive archives surely???

M27Barney wrote: Punks were just a tool to make more money for the labels and backers, the prog musicians were getting to be costly, because they wanted to do THEIR thing, rather than sell moron music to the masses.... The great rock an roll swindle INDEED!

Kati wrote: Chris S wrote: Kati wrote: I actually think the wall and animals are quite similar I agree and the Wall was a natural extension to Animals IMO. I love Animals but when it first came out, I almost felt betrayed cos it was so different to WYWH. Of course I was wrong about that and grew to love the album. I think Gilmour's solo in Dogs is one of his top three solo's Chris!!!!!! Wow and yay!!! Ditto! You are my ultimate new fav collab now! hugs xxx

I mentioned above dogs too and I quote: Rihanna pls listen to Dogs too :) love that track or at least listen up to 3.42 when the guitar solo starts hugs xxxxx

Kati wrote: I actually think the wall and animals are quite similar

Barbu wrote: True. Tales from Topographic Oceans, Selling England by the Pound and Brain Salad Surgery are insignificant compare to The Dark Side of the Moon.

I heard that. 

I actually think the wall and animals are quite similar
here are the lyrics for Pigs (3 different ones)
"Pigs (Three Different Ones)"


Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are
And when your hand is on your heart
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost a joker
With your head down in the pig bin
Saying "keep on digging"
Pig stain on your fat chin
What do you hope to find?
When you're down in the pig mine
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.
Bus stop rat bag, ha ha, charade you are
You f**ked up old hag, ha ha, charade you are
You radiate cold shafts of broken glass
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost worth a quick grin
You like the feel of steel
You're hot stuff with a hat pin
And good fun with a hand gun
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.
Hey you Whitehouse, ha ha, charade you are
You house proud town mouse, ha ha, charade you are
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street
You're nearly a real treat
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
.....!.....!.....!.....!
You gotta stem the evil tide
And keep it all on the inside
Mary you're nearly a treat
Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry. xxxxxxx

Rihanna wrote: I see all love Animals, I think its only a good album, not a masterpiece as Dark Side Of The Moon, WYWH and The Wall. The songs are from awesome to only okay, Sheep is a masterpiece the rest are good to decent. Wow i dont see the greatness all gives it, its not my favorite from Pink Floyd. I like the album but it is just maybe a strong 7/10.

Awwww Rihanna, I must convince you otherwise, Animals is a brilliant album. Ok now listen to the tracks individually :) start by Pink Floyd - Pigs (Three Different Ones) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Okd3Oyii7E
that tracks is so sexy yet oh so good really :) hugs xxxxx