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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2013 at 02:34
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

Univers Zero and Art Zoyd were both terrific, but I prefer Art Zoyd's more eletronic works, escpecially 'Berlin'. Zoyd's soundtracks for classic expressionist films are excellent as well.

iamthemorning counts for me as the best debut of last few years, great guys. Didn't expected that music from Russia could be so good .
Why? You have a fantastic school of Classical music; connects a pair of these students who are gifted and intoxicated with prog, & who have an idea to follow, and that's it. The result can be as big as Russia.





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^Well, despite of Classical music traditions, almost all the modern pop & rock music in Russia is plainly terribleOuch Honestly, you barely can imagine anything as bad as Russian pop. That's why I didn't expected a great prog band coming out here. So iamthemorning is rather an exception that a rule.
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^ I was actually thinking the same thing (what with all the indie-sounding and pop musicians, who have little or nothing to do with classical music), but then I thought: maybe Svet meant Russian prog musicians.
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Check out Siberian band Pikapika Teart, wonderful stuff:-

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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2013 at 14:52
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I was actually thinking the same thing (what with all the indie-sounding and pop musicians, who have little or nothing to do with classical music), but then I thought: maybe Svet meant Russian prog musicians.
Yea of course I meant Russian prog musicians.


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the band Hazari from Belgrade, Serbia.










the band Naked from Belgrade, Serbia





the band Mothership Orchestra from Pozega, Serbia








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Points: 18080 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2013 at 18:12
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

 
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North Sea Radio Orchestra....very, very nice stuff. Thanks.


Indeed.

I'm starting to think, now that even things like Gryphon and Third Ear Band, also fit in an area like this, though.

If we take the traditionalist vision of "chamber music" (all string instruments I think!), then the synthesizer/sequencer in this one is unusual, but it plays the same thing that another string instrument would play, which made it kinda different. 
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Points: 18080 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2013 at 18:29
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Add Aranis


That is fine stuff.

Takes it away from rock music some, but I'm ok with it.

The combination they have here is cool, and all the women are excellent players. Most of the problem with "prog" and "rock" is that most folks are not even good players!
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2013 at 02:53
So beautiful and hipnotizing.








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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Even after listening to the suggestions on this thread I still don't understand exactly what qualifies as 'chamber prog'....many of the bands listed sound nothing alike . Can some one give a concise definition ?
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That's a good question. I don't know to invent an exact definition of the "genre" but imo it can be anything what is magnificent but not a "spectacle"; I mean, as an ingenious miniature painting by famous painter. Of course, a "chamber prog" ought to contain some of  that Classical music's "feeling" and (or) to have the acoustic instrument(s) on it.




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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Even after listening to the suggestions on this thread I still don't understand exactly what qualifies as 'chamber prog'....many of the bands listed sound nothing alike . Can some one give a concise definition ?

 
I don't think we can, because there isn't one!
 
On top of it, someone chose a term, and changed its pre-defined meaning and applied it to "progressive" something or other, and basically distorted the discussion and the meaning of the term.
 
If we take the "classical definition" of the term, the number of things shown here do not fit at all. A lot of the ECM stuff, DOES fit, because it's original design and concept was one of "chamber", or as it was originally joked about, here is the white room, I'm shutthing the door, see you later! A lot of the early Rypdal, Gismonti, Jarrett and many folks fit in this area perfectly regardless of the fact that it is "jazz" or some other god-forsaken stupid definition that many progressive board folks will use so they will not go listen to something or other over there!
 
Again, the suggestions here went so far that I even suggested Gryphon and Third Ear Band. And as much as Third Ear Band would fit as "chamber music" by the classic definition, I almost doubt that anyone here will even consider going to listen to it, to find out why for themselves.
 
What I can not explain, or define, is the one thing that tends to throw off the equation between popular and other music. Pop music is not "known" for being "chamber music" in any of its formats, although you and I would say immediately that it would in folk music! But was folk music as developed as we have it today, some 400 or 500 years ago? I don't think so!
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I like the Third Ear Band though I have them in Prog Folk.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

The problem I've seen here at PA is that if the music does not contain an element of "rock" in it (drum and bass rhythm sections, electrified instruments, ABACAB song constructs, etc., etc.) it generally gets rejected (e.g., Five-Storey Ensemble, Kronos Quartet, Mediaevel Baebes). However, since I've been a member I've seen more and more "rock" and "classic rock" or "prog fringe" bands being allowed in (Led Zeppelin, Queen, Bjork, etc.), I do not see why the Admin Team can't start bending more to the other side of prog--i.e. the more classical- and jazz-oriented fringes of prog--like "Chamber Prog" or "Neoclasical dark wave" or just neoclassical.

Shout out to incredible Neoclassical/Chamber Prog bands Cicada (Taiwan), After Crying (Hungary), Five-Storey Ensemble (Belarus), and new AltrOck Francesco Zago/Paolo Botta/Elaine Di Falco project, Empty Days (Italia).

 P.S. Great discussion thread!



I've always just thought of the rock element as one of the essential qualities of prog.  The term is short for "progressive rock," anyway.  An ensemble like the Kronos Quartet is obviously "progressive" in the literal sense but I've never felt as if it fit into the progressive rock genre.

On the same note, I've never understood the inclusion of Penguin Cafe Orchestra on this site.  Like some have already expressed, I like them but don't think of them as prog, mainly because of the absence of the rock element in their music.
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

The problem I've seen here at PA is that if the music does not contain an element of "rock" in it (drum and bass rhythm sections, electrified instruments, ABACAB song constructs, etc., etc.) it generally gets rejected (e.g., Five-Storey Ensemble, Kronos Quartet, Mediaevel Baebes). However, since I've been a member I've seen more and more "rock" and "classic rock" or "prog fringe" bands being allowed in (Led Zeppelin, Queen, Bjork, etc.), I do not see why the Admin Team can't start bending more to the other side of prog--i.e. the more classical- and jazz-oriented fringes of prog--like "Chamber Prog" or "Neoclasical dark wave" or just neoclassical.

Shout out to incredible Neoclassical/Chamber Prog bands Cicada (Taiwan), After Crying (Hungary), Five-Storey Ensemble (Belarus), and new AltrOck Francesco Zago/Paolo Botta/Elaine Di Falco project, Empty Days (Italia).

 P.S. Great discussion thread!



I've always just thought of the rock element as one of the essential qualities of prog.  The term is short for "progressive rock," anyway.  An ensemble like the Kronos Quartet is obviously "progressive" in the literal sense but I've never felt as if it fit into the progressive rock genre.

On the same note, I've never understood the inclusion of Penguin Cafe Orchestra on this site.  Like some have already expressed, I like them but don't think of them as prog, mainly because of the absence of the rock element in their music.
 
Without a doubt I am an aficionado of Progressive Music. Artists like Loreena McKennitt (Celtic), Porcupine Tree (Rock), Future Sound of London (Electronic/Folk/Rock), Philip Glass (Classical) and Panzerpappa (Chamber). 
 
Why limit one's taste to Prog Rock only?? For sure PA is the ultimate Prog Rock resource but it seems like they are taking it to the next level by including artists like Penguin Cafe Orchestra, North Sea Radio Orchestra, Aranis, Julverne and Rabih Abou-Khalil.
 
Strictly imo, PA has a solid foundation of Prog Rock but as one grows older it's nice to be able to have other genres included here at PA to make it easier to expand and grow as a person who appreciates the art of music in all of its various forms.
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Would like to add Gatto Marte ( http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=715 ) to this list of Chamber Prog artists.

 
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Perhaps include Volapuk? I'm only familiar with the  Polyglot album and a ROIO from '83. But for an intimate chamber setting I thought this was great music.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Perhaps include Volapuk? I'm only familiar with the  Polyglot album and a ROIO from '83. But for an intimate chamber setting I thought this was great music.
 
I've only heard the track "Valse Chinoise" by them. I like it.
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Would like to add:
 
Afenginn's 2013 album "Lux"
 
 
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I'd like to recommend in this thread the Brisbane's chamber prog band NONSEMBLE, and their magnificent  full-lenght debut album enitled Practical Mechanics  http://nonsemble.bandcamp.com/album/practical-mechanics




Quote Nonsemble is a chamber group which draws on eclectic musical influences to fill a space somewhere between the conservatoire and the underground. It tips its hat equally to Mogwai and Ligeti; Autechre and Philip Glass. 

Formed in 2012 by composer Chris Perren (of Mr. Maps, lofly/hangar), Nonsemble features some of Brisbane’s most talented young players, including Hik Sugimoto on percussion, Sam Mitchell, on piano, Flora Wong and Sam Andrews on violin, Kieran Welch on viola, and Briony... Luttrell on Cello.

In the short time since their inception the ensemble have performed at Restrung Festival at Brisbane Powerhouse with some of Australia’s top classical and new music ensembles, and were selected to play at Harvest Festival 2012 alongside acts such as Beck, Sigur Ros and Grizzly Bear.

Practical Mechanics is an ode to technological optimism, and playfully explores the belief that science can solve all human problems. The titles and text excerpts are taken from the tattered pages of vintage issues of Practical Mechanics Magazine, a home science and technology magazine published between 1933 and 1963.

The collision of hard scientific law with domestic human life, is reflected by the juxtaposition of mathematical and rule-based compositional approaches and the ineffably chaotic nature of human musical intuition. Practical Mechanics employs various rational and rule-based pattern-making techniques, including Schillingerian methods, list structures, additive and constructive techniques and others devised by the composer. This machine-like nature is especially prominent within the rhythm of the piece, and imbues the work with a complex yet controlled sense of mechanical determinacy. The harmony on the other hand is immediate and expressive, referring more to popular and folk music and reflecting the human needs central to the development and use of technology.

For more information go to nonsemble.com.au
released 06 July 2013
Composed by Chris Perren in Collaboration with Nonsemble
Percussion: Hik Sugimoto
Piano: Samuel Mitchell
Violins: Flora Wong and Samuel Andrews
Viola: Kieran Welch
Cello: Briony Luttrell
Guitar/Synth/Samples: Chris Perren

Recorded at UQ Nickson Room in December 2012 by Briony Luttrell and Chris Perren. Mixed and Produced by Chris Perren. Released on lofly recordings.


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend in this thread the Brisbane's chamber prog band NONSEMBLE, and their magnificent  full-lenght debut album enitled Practical Mechanics
 
Looks very interesting. Will give it some ear time. Thanks.
 
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