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 Posted: April 15 2014 at 08:22 |
 Dean wrote:
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I always seem to poke my twig into the wrong hole and I get the scorpion sting rather than the tasty termites I had been hoping for!!!
I didn't slam DSOTM - I think (as the above reflects upon) the superlative artwork and monumental catchy name! DID lead to it's enormous popularity...but for such superficial reasons! I reckon that a lot of proggers (aside from Floyd fan-buoys bobbing about in their own particular ocean) think that in terms of the music ( I think that the lyrical content is up to the usual Floyd standard of excellent!) the recording is obviously less than the masterpiece some people claim.
I have so much more musically worthy content in my collection that it wouldn't even make my top 500!!!
But hey - if you love it, carry on spinning it dudes!!!
It could well be the seventies recording that still get played the most! and that in itself is remarkable - but such popularism is anathema to most proggers who like me are well aware that our faves are dismissed out of hand as OTT self-indulgent garbage by the same audience that love DSOTM.... |
I think you are wrong because you are looking at it retrospectively. You have no choice in this because you were not a record-buying teenager in 1973. The mass-appeal of DSotM had little to do with the minimalist cover art (other albums had that) or the cool title with "Dark" in the name (there was another album called Dark Side Of The Moon released the previous year that went nowhere even though the band in question scored a #3 single from their follow up album two months after Floyd released their DSotM). It wasn't even the result of a massive advertising promotion by EMI, because there wasn't one and in the UK it wasn't the result of radio-play or an attention-grabbing hit-single, because it had neither of those either. |
Dark Side of the Moon marked my starting point as a record-buying teenager, just a few weeks after its release. I became a Floyd fanboy after hearing Relics and Atom Heart Mother some months earlier, so PF could do nothing wrong with me. That was a good reason for me to buy their new album. I remember having heard Time on the radio, sometime between 8:00 and 9:30 PM, when the broadcasting stations have ceased to throw up their daily overload of commercial crap. It has always been one of my favourite tracks on this album, which I still consider a masterpiece after 41 years, even if it ranks #4 on my current list of PF's studio albums.
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 08:09 |
Hmmm though on retrospect (hohoho!) if I could travel back in time - I'd possibly want to do something more important to me than trying to find out the zeitgeist in 1973..... 
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 08:05 |
Dean wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
I always seem to poke my twig into the wrong hole and I get the scorpion sting rather than the tasty termites I had been hoping for!!!
I didn't slam DSOTM - I think (as the above reflects upon) the superlative artwork and monumental catchy name! DID lead to it's enormous popularity...but for such superficial reasons! I reckon that a lot of proggers (aside from Floyd fan-buoys bobbing about in their own particular ocean) think that in terms of the music ( I think that the lyrical content is up to the usual Floyd standard of excellent!) the recording is obviously less than the masterpiece some people claim.
I have so much more musically worthy content in my collection that it wouldn't even make my top 500!!!
But hey - if you love it, carry on spinning it dudes!!!
It could well be the seventies recording that still get played the most! and that in itself is remarkable - but such popularism is anathema to most proggers who like me are well aware that our faves are dismissed out of hand as OTT self-indulgent garbage by the same audience that love DSOTM.... |
I think you are wrong because you are looking at it retrospectively. You have no choice in this because you were not a record-buying teenager in 1973. The mass-appeal of DSotM had little to do with the minimalist cover art (other albums had that) or the cool title with "Dark" in the name (there was another album called Dark Side Of The Moon released the previous year that went nowhere even though the band in question scored a #3 single from their follow up album two months after Floyd released their DSotM). It wasn't even the result of a massive advertising promotion by EMI, because there wasn't one and in the UK it wasn't the result of radio-play or an attention-grabbing hit-single, because it had neither of those either. |
How else am I supposed to look at an album that was released in 1973? - Quick, somebody invent a fookin time machine so I can go back in time and ask some punters on the street in 1973.... 
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 06:46 |
I'm not a Floyd fan, haven't even heard Animals in its entirety, heartily loathe Wish You Were Here and the Wall but do like Piper at the Gates of Dawn and most of Saucerful of Secrets. Just wanted to say that the music on DSOTM is clearly very accomplished, sophisticated, prescient and hook laden pop/rock but I personally find it a bit bland. However, I also think the lyrics are probably some of the greatest that have ever been included on any music album irrespective of style or genre. If you can present the following sentiment to everyman and make him or her embrace same as accessible art then you are richly deserving of the label of genius. This is some of the worst news any of us are ever likely to hear yet it somehow flies under the intellect's radar and the album's sales prove irrefutably that John Updike was correct when he said we contain chords someone else must strike:
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled linesEveryone's existential dilemma and ultimately thwarted desires are contained in these unflinching lines so kudos to Roger Waters for finally dispensing entirely with rock's perpetually re-enacted rites of passage. Maybe Pop music finally grew up on DSOTM? Maybe senile dementia (or at the very least incurable bed wetting) kicked in circa Tales From Topographic Oceans? 
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 06:30 |
M27Barney wrote:
I always seem to poke my twig into the wrong hole and I get the scorpion sting rather than the tasty termites I had been hoping for!!!
I didn't slam DSOTM - I think (as the above reflects upon) the superlative artwork and monumental catchy name! DID lead to it's enormous popularity...but for such superficial reasons! I reckon that a lot of proggers (aside from Floyd fan-buoys bobbing about in their own particular ocean) think that in terms of the music ( I think that the lyrical content is up to the usual Floyd standard of excellent!) the recording is obviously less than the masterpiece some people claim.
I have so much more musically worthy content in my collection that it wouldn't even make my top 500!!!
But hey - if you love it, carry on spinning it dudes!!!
It could well be the seventies recording that still get played the most! and that in itself is remarkable - but such popularism is anathema to most proggers who like me are well aware that our faves are dismissed out of hand as OTT self-indulgent garbage by the same audience that love DSOTM.... |
I think you are wrong because you are looking at it retrospectively. You have no choice in this because you were not a record-buying teenager in 1973.
The mass-appeal of DSotM had little to do with the minimalist cover art (other albums had that) or the cool title with "Dark" in the name (there was another album called Dark Side Of The Moon released the previous year that went nowhere even though the band in question scored a #3 single from their follow up album two months after Floyd released their DSotM). It wasn't even the result of a massive advertising promotion by EMI, because there wasn't one and in the UK it wasn't the result of radio-play or an attention-grabbing hit-single, because it had neither of those either.
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 05:49 |
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I always seem to poke my twig into the wrong hole and I get the scorpion sting rather than the tasty termites I had been hoping for!!!
I didn't slam DSOTM - I think (as the above reflects upon) the superlative artwork and monumental catchy name! DID lead to it's enormous popularity...but for such superficial reasons! I reckon that a lot of proggers (aside from Floyd fan-buoys bobbing about in their own particular ocean) think that in terms of the music ( I think that the lyrical content is up to the usual Floyd standard of excellent!) the recording is obviously less than the masterpiece some people claim.
I have so much more musically worthy content in my collection that it wouldn't even make my top 500!!!
But hey - if you love it, carry on spinning it dudes!!!
It could well be the seventies recording that still get played the most! and that in itself is remarkable - but such popularism is anathema to most proggers who like me are well aware that our faves are dismissed out of hand as OTT self-indulgent garbage by the same audience that love DSOTM....
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 01:29 |
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I've always thought DSOTM was overrated personally and stated that opinion on more than one occasion. Put Dark in the title with minimalistic artwork and lyrics that middle class bankers can go apesh*t over and you have a masterpeice. It was the rich pickings from that album that put Pink Floyd in an untouchable position and gave them the chance to really indulge themselves properly with the next 3 albums. DSOTM works well live though. Never get tired of hearing the Australian Pink Floyd do Great Gig In The Sky. Thanks Claire!
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 23:20 |
Mirror Image wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Echoes is good (apart from the crow/raven squawking bit in the middle??)
I'd agree - I haven't heard Animals for a long while now - but I think that it is far better than DSOTM - which I can honestly say must be the most overrated recording on this site!!! (yes the production is brilliant for it's time - but isn't it just a set of mid seventies pop songs?) Lets face it - DSOTM is the one recording that NON prog fans love!!! that is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned!!! |
A good post until you had to slam Dark Side of the Moon for no good reason. It is a masterpiece and it's not because I said it was, it's because it continues to be recognized year after year as one not only by fans, critics, but also other musicians. Steve Hackett said Dark Side of the Moon was his favorite prog album. Pretty high praise indeed coming from someone who worked in another one of the greatest prog bands of all time: Genesis. |
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 21:42 |
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Yep it's a classic argument to be sure - but a valid one none-the-less!! |
But your 'argument' denies the facts. It's one thing to not like the album, but it's a completely different 'animal' (haha..cool pun huh?) to make the accusation that Dark Side is overrated due to it's apparent popularity. I don't think these guys had any idea that this album was going to chart the kind of success it has received. Simply put, this masterpiece is revered and with good reason: it's a seamless blend of utter genius and human emotion.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 21:36 |
rogerthat wrote:
Let me put it this way, WYWH is the album that works best for a general audience rather than a hardcore PF audience. It has a singalong easy acoustic track and a lush, emotional epic with more of a traditional prog structure. Notice how many hardcore Genesis fans insist Nursery Cryme is their best album while prog fans in general gravitate to SEBTP. WYWH performs the same function with respect to Floyd. It is not surprising that WYWH often gets hailed as their best but as a Floyd fan, I would not agree. There are parts that I find positively dreary though on the whole I do like it a lot.
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Well, I am certainly a Floyd fan, and as such, I can say that my favourite Floyd album is Wish you were Here. And do you know which is Gilmour's favourite Floyd album? Wish you were Here itself. So, I guess it's not a matter of being a Floyd fand or a prog fan or a 70's classic rock fan or whatever, it's just a matter of taste.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 21:27 |
Mirror Image wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
I'd agree - I haven't heard Animals for a long while now - but I think that it is far better than DSOTM - which I can honestly say must be the most overrated recording on this site!!! (yes the production is brilliant for it's time - but isn't it just a set of mid seventies pop songs?) Lets face it - DSOTM is the one recording that NON prog fans love!!! that is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned!!! |
A good post until you had to slam Dark Side of the Moon for no good reason. It is a masterpiece and it's not because I said it was, it's because it continues to be recognized year after year as one not only by fans, critics, but also other musicians. Steve Hackett said Dark Side of the Moon was his favorite prog album. Pretty high praise indeed coming from someone who worked in another one of the greatest prog bands of all time: Genesis. |
Dark Side of the Moon is loved by an unprecedented number of non-prog fans and prog fans alike -- that is known as "universal praise", if you weren't aware. Unprecedented and universal, and according to billboard.com:
"On March 17, 1973, a band in musical transition named Pink Floyd hit the Top 200 chart with the release of its new album, "Dark Side of the Moon." It entered the chart at No. 95, the top debut that week. And then a funny thing happened: It never left. Or almost never, anyway.More than 14 years later -- 736 weeks to be precise -- in July 1988, it finally fell off The Billboard 200. Add in a later run on that chart and another 759 weeks on the Top Pop Catalog Albums chart, and Pink Floyd, with this issue, reaches the staggering plane of 1,500 weeks on the charts."
M27Barney wrote:
Echoes is good (apart from the crow/raven squawking bit in the middle??) |
You obviously weren't a teenager in the 70s. That section is the best part of the trip.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 19:20 |
M27Barney wrote:
Echoes is good (apart from the crow/raven squawking bit in the middle??)
I'd agree - I haven't heard Animals for a long while now - but I think that it is far better than DSOTM - which I can honestly say must be the most overrated recording on this site!!! (yes the production is brilliant for it's time - but isn't it just a set of mid seventies pop songs?) Lets face it - DSOTM is the one recording that NON prog fans love!!! that is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned!!! |
A good post until you had to slam Dark Side of the Moon for no good reason. It is a masterpiece and it's not because I said it was, it's because it continues to be recognized year after year as one not only by fans, critics, but also other musicians. Steve Hackett said Dark Side of the Moon was his favorite prog album. Pretty high praise indeed coming from someone who worked in another one of the greatest prog bands of all time: Genesis.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 19:13 |
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Non prog fans also love Pink Moon. Does that mean it's an overrated album?
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 13:52 |
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Yep it's a classic argument to be sure - but a valid one none-the-less!!
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 13:40 |
...ah, the old elitism argument.
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 13:20 |
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Echoes is good (apart from the crow/raven squawking bit in the middle??)
I'd agree - I haven't heard Animals for a long while now - but I think that it is far better than DSOTM - which I can honestly say must be the most overrated recording on this site!!! (yes the production is brilliant for it's time - but isn't it just a set of mid seventies pop songs?) Lets face it - DSOTM is the one recording that NON prog fans love!!! that is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned!!!
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 11:45 |
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I prefer it to The Wall...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 09:48 |
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^Interesting how this thread seems to go on forever... As Blacksword pointed, it's entirely a matter of opinion of course.
Just to prove what i'm saying - One Of These Days is my favourite track of Meddle, and enjoy even more live versions of it like that of PULSE.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 09:33 |
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Echoes is my favorite Floyd track as well, and in my top 5 songs of all time.
Animals I like about as much as WYWH, and more than Darkside or The Wall. I'm partial to the early material though, and Meddle is my favorite Floyd album of them all.
Animals is a great album though, and Dogs is my favorite track on it, by far (though honestly, all the songs are very good).
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 09:09 |
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Echoes is my favourite Floyd track and one of my favourites in prog overall. As an overall album, my pick is actually pretty 'boring': DSOTM. Covers the whole gamut of emotions across wide ranging topics while presenting a cohesive experience, which I cannot say Animals quite manages to, as much as I love that album too.
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