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richardh
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Posted: April 12 2014 at 03:41 |
Its a toss up between WYWH and Animals for Floyd's best album for me. I think I would go for the former as its feels like a proper ensemble album. Waters was beginning to take over the band when they got to Animals and Rick Wright's keyboards are becoming marginalised very apparently both creatively and production wise. I'm a keyboard fan so that is a problem for me. Animals though has some of Gilmour's best playing. Dogs is exceptional of course.
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 21:41 |
I really love Animals, I'm having trouble choosing my favourite Floyd album between this one and WYWH. Every song is wonderful, and Dogs is utterly amazing. Indeed, perhaps you need to listen to the album more times, lot's of PF music sounded just boring and uninteresting at first listen, but later on I came to really love the pieces.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 13:04 |
All the songs are at the very least "very good." The one gripe I have about animals is that it's almost overproduced, which is a departure from all the preceding Floyd albums. Not as much to my taste.
Sheep is the best though
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smartpatrol
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 12:44 |
No, Animals is fantastic, and my opinion is fact. Case closed
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:27 |
DSOTM offers a bit of relief in terms of humour in Money. Animals, not so much. Even where it's funny, there's always an edge to it.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:26 |
Blacksword wrote:
Rick Robson wrote:
<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I think
Waters was BY FAR the best poet in the band. Maybe that's the reason
why neither The Wall nor Animals are one of my fave ones, i was always
kind of "lazy" to pay attention to that observations about our society
in their lyrics, which at first seem somewhat depressive, imo, at least
when listening to that PF songs. But in fact it could be very
interesting for me to get the lyrics and give a good reading to them, in
order to understand and get better their 70's british music spirit, which btw curiously differed in Genesis early 70's albums.
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Genesis wrote songs that took the listener away from all the depressing stuff that surrounded them. It was escapism. Yes took that to new levels, essentially writing utter nonsense some of the time. imo
Floyd on the other hand embraced reality and very skilfully made entertaining music from very dark subject matter. DSOTM is very depressing, but it's also very compelling. Animals is angry AND depressing. A joyful combination, I think..  | Quite interesting your considerations, had already once heard or read about escapism, but now i get clearly its meaning. I also feel very depressing some songs of DSOTM, and that's really what i love more in them, especially in The Great Gig in The Sky & Us and Them. I coudn't forget to mention that Parsons "echo" touch plainly essential for their deep and brilliant sound !!
Edited by Rick Robson - April 19 2014 at 09:04
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"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB
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Horizons
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:17 |
Dean wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Animals could never reach the greatness of Good Girl Gone Bad. |
Some say that Good Girl Gone Bad is loosely based upon Orwell's Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm and that Umbrellaellaella is a serious critique of corporate-media pigeonholing in a crypto-post-anarchic society, a theme that continues into Don't Stop The Music. It is rumoured that Rehab was a re-working of an older song called Cravin' and Dribblin'
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I've heard that theory too. Honestly GGGB has a much stronger concept to it than Animals ever did. Animals is too convoluted to really reach the audience at the same level as GGGB. I wonder if Rihanna's other work has the same brilliant underlining layers?
I'm going to check out her debut and work my way up.
Edited by Horizons - April 11 2014 at 11:17
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Dean
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:10 |
Horizons wrote:
Animals could never reach the greatness of Good Girl Gone Bad. |
Some say that Good Girl Gone Bad is loosely based upon Orwell's Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm and that Umbrellaellaella is a serious critique of corporate-media pigeonholing in a crypto-post-anarchic society, a theme that continues into Don't Stop The Music. It is rumoured that Rehab was a re-working of an older song called Cravin' and Dribblin'
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What?
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:03 |
By and large, I don't consider lyrics all that important to appreciating the music. This is one of the cases where I think it is THE key to making sense of the album. Without the lyrics, or rather the thoughts expressed through them, the album would probably fall flat. I had not read Animal Farm at the time I listened to this album but maybe you need to do that first just to grasp the technique used by Waters here (otherwise they are very different works over and above the fact that one's a book and the other's a music album). But you do have to be either a bit cynical or sensitive to the way otherwise perfectly nice people transform into predatory animals in the workplace or any other 'real world' competitive arena. Waters has touched on all those things very nicely through the course of the album. If you are the type who's so hung up on positivity as to steadfastly avoid anything that sounds cynical, Animals is not for you.
Edited by rogerthat - April 11 2014 at 11:05
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:03 |
Ohhh I love PF Animals,my fav PF ever!Sheep for instance-I mean listen to the lyrics how can you not like it?  I find nothing boring with it at all.Dogs,Pigs,Sheep I absolutely love it,its a masterpiece! I'll have to play it in it's entirety now at some point today.That being said i'll fly away now to my VA appt like Pigs on the Wing
Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - April 11 2014 at 11:12
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moshkito
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 11:02 |
Crumple wrote:
I love Animals. Might be my favorite Floyd album. I'm not a huge early Floyd fan...
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The early PF makes sense if you are familiar with the 60's.
If all you know is the late 70's and 80's and such, that stuff won't make a whole lot of sense.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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moshkito
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 10:46 |
Rihanna wrote:
I see all love Animals, I think its only a good album, not a masterpiece as Dark Side Of The Moon, WYWH and The Wall.
The songs are from awesome to only okay, Sheep is a masterpiece the rest are good to decent. Wow i dont see the greatness all gives it, its not my favorite from Pink Floyd.
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I like the album, and the concert at Anaheim Stadium was out of this world, but I have to admit that I liked the original versions wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:59 |
Rick Robson wrote:
<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I think
Waters was BY FAR the best poet in the band. Maybe that's the reason
why neither The Wall nor Animals are one of my fave ones, i was always
kind of "lazy" to pay attention to that observations about our society
in their lyrics, which at first seem somewhat depressive, imo, at least
when listening to that PF songs. But in fact it could be very
interesting for me to get the lyrics and give a good reading to them, in
order to understand and get better their 70's british music spirit, which btw curiously differed in Genesis early 70's albums.
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Genesis wrote songs that took the listener away from all the depressing stuff that surrounded them. It was escapism. Yes took that to new levels, essentially writing utter nonsense some of the time. imo
Floyd on the other hand embraced reality and very skilfully made entertaining music from very dark subject matter. DSOTM is very depressing, but it's also very compelling. Animals is angry AND depressing. A joyful combination, I think..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Mirror Image
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:42 |
Animals is one of my favorite Floyd albums. I do feel a great affinity with Wish You Were Here, Dark Side of the Moon, and The Wall as well. I did enjoy Meddle, but early and late Floyd (i. e. after Waters departure), I'm not too fond of.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:41 |
I love Dogs: it's one of my favorite Floyd pieces. Though I don't like Animals as much as DSOTM or WYWH, I don't think it is much overrated.
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Horizons
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:37 |
Animals could never reach the greatness of Good Girl Gone Bad.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:33 |
I think
Waters was BY FAR the best poet in the band. Maybe that's the reason
why neither The Wall nor Animals are one of my fave ones, i was always
kind of "lazy" to pay attention to that observations about our society
in their lyrics, which at first seem somewhat depressive, imo, at least
when listening to that PF songs. But in fact it could be very
interesting for me to get the lyrics and give a good reading to them, in
order to understand and get better their 70's british music spirit, which btw curiously differed in Genesis early 70's albums.
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"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB
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Rihanna
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:26 |
I want to really love it but just no wow except for Sheep that i love. Dogs hm i never found the greatness in that song yet, maybe i change in the future and found the gold.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 09:24 |
I wish you could see through our eyes and hear through our ears so you could understand why we hold this album in such high regard. As it is, you've got your own eyes and ears, and hear things the way you hear them. Nothing wrong about that. Enjoy what thou may.
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Crumple
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Posted: April 11 2014 at 08:28 |
I love Animals. Might be my favorite Floyd album. I'm not a huge early Floyd fan...I kinda start at Meddle My list would go:
1. Animals
2. Dark Side of The Moon
3. Wish You Were Here
4. The Final Cut
5. Meddle
6. The Wall
I never actually gave Meddle full attention. I must do so.
The Wall...I love parts of it...but it's pretty much permanently played out for me...I never reach for it when I an in a Floydian mood.
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