Ukraine

Slartibartfast wrote:

This is a GREAT idea.

"Soros thought of "revenge" Putin : U.S. to sell oil reserves The United States have strategic oil reserves that are twice the required amount , and George Soros suggests that the United States sell the surplus immediately - to "punish" the Russian president Vladimir Putin. According to "Bloomberg" , while U.S. and European allies are seeking ways to respond to Putin for taking the Crimea , America would be selling oil reserves could put the world price of that fuel by as much as 12 dollars per barrel . Energy expert Philip Verleger estimated that the cost to come down if the U.S. sold 500,000 barrels a day from its strategic reserves. - This oil price drop could mean a loss of about $ 40 billion for Russia , when it comes to profits from the sale of oil and gas - he added. Soros is the idea of ​​selling strategic reserves presented at a panel discussion in Berlin last week , assessing the harshest punishment Putin for the annexation of the Crimea "in the hands of the United States" - because America can sell oil reserves to be lowered prices. U.S. Secretary of Energy Ernest Monic rejected the proposal , but is Soros - it seems - interested U.S. lawmakers , and Senator Mary Landry , Chair of the Congress Committee on Energy and Natural Resources , said that "America can and should be an energy superpower." - The last thing Putin and his supporters want is to compete with the U.S. in the energy race - said Democratic Senator from Louisiana . Vergeler told "Bloomberg" that the sale of U.S. oil reserves options that the United States might perform much faster than it would allow additional exports of natural gas - because of that there is no infrastructure . - We have plenty of oil , the (reserve) we do not need , we can sell it today , and make economic pressure on Russia - he says. The U.S. has 696 million barrels of oil in strategic reserves , which is stored in underground caverns in Texas and Louisiana. Stock was formed in 1975. after the Arab embargo , and the last major withdrawal of reservations was the sale of 30 million barrels in 2011 , during the crisis in Libya . The National Plan provides that the United States has enough oil reserves to cover 90 days without imports , and the current amount would cover up to 200 days , according to the International Energy Agency . It is estimated that the United States , thanks to increasing local production , the 2035th able to provide all of its own oil needs."

Edited by Svetonio - March 28 2014 at 05:15

It's bonkers. The whole thing.

It's like living in the Twilight Zone. While Soros - who is incidentally an economic terrorist, and a mass media owning propogandist on the scale of Goebells - is suggesting that we pull the rug from under Putins feet, the British are planning to buy gas directly from Russia for the first time ever, instead of getting it from EU reserve sites, where Russian gas had been stored. If you back Putin into a corner that's when the trouble will really start, and his response will benefit no one.

Then this week we hear Obama saying that Russia's actions in Crimea were worse than ours in Iraq. If Bush had said that liberals would be rolling around roaring with laughter, or spitting fire in disbelief and rage but because it's daddy cool saying it, the media barely touch it. Why? well, I dunno but you may want to ask George Soros; take it up with Media Matters.

I'm not siding with Putin, but our leaders and their hangers on in the media and industry are the biggest bunch of ers, the post war world has ever seen. We should be very scared. The driver is drunk and his sat nav is f***ed.

Blacksword wrote: It's bonkers. The whole thing. It's like living in the Twilight Zone. While Soros - who is incidentally an economic terrorist, and a mass media owning propogandist on the scale of Goebells - is suggesting that we pull the rug from under Putins feet, the British are planning to buy gas directly from Russia for the first time ever, instead of getting it from EU reserve sites, where Russian gas had been stored. If you back Putin into a corner that's when the trouble will really start, and his response will benefit no one. Then this week we hear Obama saying that Russia's actions in Crimea were worse than ours in Iraq. If Bush had said that liberals would be rolling around roaring with laughter, or spitting fire in disbelief and rage but because it's daddy cool saying it, the media barely touch it. Why? well, I dunno but you may want to ask George Soros; take it up with Media Matters. I'm not siding with Putin, but our leaders and their hangers on in the media and industry are the biggest bunch of ers, the post war world has ever seen. We should be very scared. The driver is drunk and his sat nav is f***ed.

Putin's Russia actually does not in itself constitute a threat to the world.
However, Putin's Russia is allied with Merkel's Germany now. This alliance is not official, but is easily visible when the media mimicry for the masses is ignored, and when it is known that Merkel's Germany and Putin's Russia are linked with hundreds of inter-state agreements, of which the most famous is the "Nord Stream". It actually fulfills the dreams of Russian fascist bloggers that Germany should be a "head" and Russia to be a "body". In that alliance, Erdogan's Turkey found its home too, and this alliance represents a real danger to the world.
Due to these facts, there is a big responsibility on the U.S. and the UK goverments.



Edited by Svetonio - March 28 2014 at 06:33

Triceratopsoil wrote: Ukrainians have spent almost their entire history being controlled by everybody and their dog in neighboring countries, so as unfortunate as the latest events here might be it's regrettably nothing new.  That's why my family moved to Canada some 100 years ago.

Edited by JJLehto - March 28 2014 at 07:25

Svetonio wrote: JJLehto wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: Ukrainians have spent almost their entire history being controlled by everybody and their dog in neighboring countries, so as unfortunate as the latest events here might be it's regrettably nothing new.  That's why my family moved to Canada some 100 years ago. Pretty much.  Make it about 70 years ago for mine, and it was specifically some guy named Hitler that had something to do with it...but yup, very sad history, and sadder that independence has been anything but.  I know it always takes a while for a country to really become independent, and it's a rocky road....but seems Ukraine is screwed. No one will leave it be Shame is, I really believe it may be largely emotional for Russia. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't get it...is Russia still looking for that warm water port? As it was said, is Crimea that valuable for geo politics?  We know Russia has basically wanted it's old lands back, can it be simply the conservative old "I want this land" deal?  We all know imperialism is done with $ and business these days anyway!  Sadly, Russian foreign policy is completely incompetent, and it's only for keeping up that oligarch regime in Moscow.

The T wrote: Dean wrote: Oh yippee, another pointless conspiracy conspiracy. I wonder if there's a conspiracy behind the creation of all of these conspiracies....

No, that's just a distraction from what is really going on.

^ Is it just me or is the video not actually there?

Russia claims US mercenaries are at work in Ukraine stirring sh*t..

US news article

Edited by Blacksword - April 09 2014 at 12:27

King of Loss wrote: Crimea is extremely valuable for geopolitical purposes. The port at Sevastapool is one of the best naval bases in the Black Sea Region. This location has been fought over in many bloody wars (mostly notably the Crimean War and World War 2) (...)

The port of Sevastopool was lost its importance in the moment when Bulgaria and Romania went in NATO/OTAN. Also, Russian Black Sea fleet, as remains of Soviet Union, is obsolete in comparision with U.S. Naval facilities in Black Sea and Mediterranean basin.
The problem is actually continental, which is an alliance of Putin's Russia and Merkel's Germany who are trying to divide Ukraine, following the insane plan to "save Europe" of which the Russian nationalists have been writing for years. This article from 2011 is just one of many:

Russo-German alliance a salvation for Europe? Published time: December 21, 2011 15:19 The European crisis is deepening. Writer and political scientist Igor Panarin believes the best way to rescue Europe and secure its unity is by forging a Russo-German alliance. In the article below, Panarin explains his view. Just as many experts predicted, the European financial crisis has spread beyond Europe. Hopes that its two key powers could pull the region out of its nosedive faded on news of a looming credit rating downgrade for France. That leaves Germany the sole remaining leader nation of a united Europe. It would seem that European integration should have been of use for Europe in avoiding a financial crisis. Having embarked on the path of integration in the 1950s, Europe until recently seemed to be just a step away from evolving into something more than a community of nations. As a major indicator of that trend, most European countries adopted a single European currency, the euro, which was originally based on the German Deutsche Mark. However, despite initial success in forging a common European economy, 2011 has ushered in a second wave of the global financial crisis, and demonstrated how fragile European unity really is. It is now apparent that, should the euro collapse, Germany is bound to wind up the biggest loser. It is therefore more practical for Berlin to bail out its partners than to try to distance oneself from the ailing community. Rescuing the euro and securing European integration is, in fact, a matter of self preservation for Germany, as a collapse of the single currency and common market would be fraught with disastrous consequences for the German economy. But if Germany is to rescue the whole of Europe, it will surely need a strong and reliable companion. France can hardly be counted upon, as its own economy is currently in trouble and seems barely capable of escaping its own demise, despite serious effort. Therefore, the only effective way of rescuing Europe from the crisis is for Germany is to team up with Russia. Russia and Germany, two great European nations, should propose a joint action plan for addressing Europe’s critical economic situation. This notion might seem somewhat eccentric at first glance. But considering that every other attempt at fending off Europe’s financial crisis has proved unsuccessful, it has definite merits. A Russo-German alliance would serve as a major asset for getting the entire international community through the global economic downturn. Some inspiration for the idea is to be found in our two countries’ historic background, namely the Hanseatic League, which had its capital in Luebeck, a North German town of Slavic origin. Earl Rurik (Roerich), founder of the first princely dynasty of the Ancient Rus, was originally a chieftain of Obotrites, a West Slavic tribe, who arrived in Novgorod from none other than Luebeck. An alliance formed by the Slavic Luebeck and two other merchant cities, Hamburg and Bremen, evolved into a robust economic powerhouse and a forerunner of European integration in the 13th-17th Centuries. The Hanseatic League comprised over 200 cities and towns at times, most of which were located in the north of Europe, along the coast of the North Sea and the Baltic Sea. Representatives of the Hanseatic cities would convene regularly in Luebeck in order to coordinate policies and develop common rules. Hanseatic companies and merchants enjoyed special commercial privileges. The Hansa had its “kontors” (trading offices and representative missions) in many non-Hanseatic cities. The largest Hanseatic kontors were based in London, Bruges, Bergen and Novgorod. This serves to remind us that Germans and Russians have a time-honored record of cooperation which could be successfully resurrected today. All the more so since the past year’s economic developments have provided a perfect setting for reintroducing a Russo-German alliance as a potential rescuer for Europe. November 8th, 2011, saw the official launch of the first line of Nord Stream, the world’s longest offshore pipeline at 1,224 meters. Running across the bottom of the Baltic Sea, the gas main links the Russian city of Vyborg to Greifswald in Germany. Greifswald, for one, is located in what once used to be Obotrite territory, which serves as a symbolic reminder of the good old days of the Hansa, an early experience of European integration. Once Nord Stream is into phase two (its second line is scheduled to launch in October 2012), the pipeline will have an aggregate throughput capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per annum. The project is managed by the Russian gas giant Gazprom together with Germany’s E.ON and BASF, the Dutch Gasunie and the French GDF Suez. This puts Gazprom in a unique position reminiscent of the Slavic Hanseatic city of Luebeck, making it a potential center of gravity for forming a modern-day, pan-European Hansa based on vital cooperation over energy supplies. It is also time to bring back the regular Hanseatic congresses that used to assemble in Luebeck in the 13th-17th Centuries. Several cities could host this new type of pan-European, integration-promoting meeting, including Hamburg and St. Petersburg. But the city of Veliky Novgorod would probably provide the perfect venue, as a Russian city with a proud history of close cooperation with the Hanseatic League. ­Prof. Igor Panarin, Doctor of Political Sciences, for RT

http://rt.com/politics/russia-germany-alliance-panarin-315/

Edited by Svetonio - April 10 2014 at 09:21