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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 02:23
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I also heard that Kosovo is also a depot for organ and slave trafficking into Europe. Since you live closer to Kosovo, do you know anything about that?

Serbia was investigating reports that Kosovar Albanian terrorists have been selling human organs of kidnapped Serbs to western countries since the 1998-99 conflict.
The investigative judge wants to interrogate Carla del Ponte and Florence Hartmann, former ICTY spokeswoman, regarding the fate of the kidnapped Kosovo Serbs. Both Del Ponte and Hartmann have stated during the past years that UNMIK officials have blocked the investigation.
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(Reuters) - China's top envoy to Germany has warned the West against punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control.

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Interesting reports, but now there are reports emerging from several online sources detailing about Andrey Parubiy, who is the interim leader of the  National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, who might have been involved in the sniper shootings via support from US secret service groups. The interesting thing to have him in any position of power, because he was the founder of the Ukrainian Social National Party, who is the precursor to the much more milder far-right party Svoboda. Just for reference, many here might recognize this symbol immediately if any of their family members fought the Nazis:



If anyone is offended by this symbol, I'll remove it immediately (I'm trying to prove a point here).

Interesting coming after the leaked conversation between Catherine Ashton and the Estonian FM Paet....


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Serbian fascists ( "chetniks" ), as Putin's fans at check point at Crimea, 2014







Chetniks with Nazi officers, Yugoslavia ( Serbia ) 1944.
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Referendum day tomorrow. I think we all know how the voting will go..

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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:




Serbian fascists ( "chetniks" ), as Putin's fans at check point at Crimea, 2014







Chetniks with Nazi officers, Yugoslavia ( Serbia ) 1944.



It seems like extremists are there in both sides... Let's hope one of them doesn't pull the trigger.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Referendum day tomorrow. I think we all know how the voting will go..


Crimea shouldn't be part of Ukraine in my opinion. My Ukrainian friends says the whole place is very Russian anyways,  but NATO wants that Black Sea presence due to vast oil and gas fields in the sea..
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/25/shooting-far-right-leader-tensions-ukraine

Ugh oh... Why are our governments going to sent these people more money?!?! This is crazy, this sounds like a targeted assassination....Ouch
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/25/shooting-far-right-leader-tensions-ukraine

Ugh oh... Why are our governments going to sent these people more money?!?! This is crazy, this sounds like a targeted assassination....Ouch


We have a history of backing radical lunatics to further our own ends.
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It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.

It's not like anything since the interim government came anything is done "legally". Remember Yanukovych was voted in by the electorate and now there's no real central government. There are videos showing that armed militia are the ones in charge in many places...Confused
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I would say this is not exactly ideal, but in a warped way it works out...If Russia wants Crimea so bad (and if they wanted to be Russia) then OK, and now Ukraine can maybe be more independent, with the pro Russian area no longer part of Ukraine. I heard in response to all this Ukraine was going to try to strengthen ties with the EU. 

I WOULD say all that, except I fear Russia isn't done :( :(  
If it stays like this though, well...guess it's better than alternatives....
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It's ok now. Theres a solution:

http://news.msn.com/offbeat/ukrainian-women-have-started-a-hilarious-campaign-to-deny-sex-to-russian-men


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The problem is that the two opposition sides in Ukraine were never really independent to begin with. The current interim authorities in Kiev are reliant on support from the US and the EU, while the older authorities' industrial base in the East relies on Russian markets.... I can see both sides trying to stir up instability in Ukraine (which is exactly what they have done). I can see a massive war breaking out in this region anytime soon....
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I strongly believe in people's self determination. If Crimeans have decided to join Russia let's them do, it's their right.....


..... But now let's speak a bit about Chechnya...

and why not...Tibet, Kurdistan, Uighuristan, Ulster and Basque Country.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.

It's not like anything since the interim government came anything is done "legally". Remember Yanukovych was voted in by the electorate and now there's no real central government. There are videos showing that armed militia are the ones in charge in many places...Confused

Agreed. And also strangely enough the western powers had no real objections to the overthrow of the government; I doubt they were expecting things to move in the opposite direction.


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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2014 at 18:35
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

The problem is that the two opposition sides in Ukraine were never really independent to begin with. The current interim authorities in Kiev are reliant on support from the US and the EU, while the older authorities' industrial base in the East relies on Russian markets.... I can see both sides trying to stir up instability in Ukraine (which is exactly what they have done). I can see a massive war breaking out in this region anytime soon....

Yeah but who is...
Everyone is under the strings of someone else. Even when you get to the big dogs like the US, we're just under the strings of (insert cabal of various seedy influences )so who is independent amirite? Cry



Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I strongly believe in people's self determination. If Crimeans have decided to join Russia let's them do, it's their right.....


..... But now let's speak a bit about Chechnya...

and why not...Tibet, Kurdistan, Uighuristan, Ulster and Basque Country.

Well that is exactly the problem. We all probably feel that way deep down, and it IS what's "right" but as you point out...a whole lot of people would want out of their country and become their own. You forgot Quebec!
Though some areas of the US  I really would not mind (and would not stop) if they wanted to leaveLOL



Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

It's ok now. Theres a solution:

http://news.msn.com/offbeat/ukrainian-women-have-started-a-hilarious-campaign-to-deny-sex-to-russian-men




Would never work. We all know that famous steely Russian will. 
Their men can probably go 40 years without sex, or masturbation or even relief of any kind. 
I bet the army is castrated just to resist any possible distraction from the glorious missionStern Smile
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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2014 at 08:37
Are there any Polish forum members here? I read an article in The Week (I''l try and find a link) that said thousands of Polish army reservists were being called up. Allegedly many young Poles working in the UK have recieved their papers.

Is this true?

It's for an unscehduled border exercise, apparently. Just interested.

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In their shoes I'd do the same, at least just to tell Putin that it wouldn't be too easy. There must be a reason if Obama has publicly announced that the OTAN is ready to move in support of the Baltic Republics.
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