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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2014 at 16:49
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

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It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.

It's not like anything since the interim government came anything is done "legally". Remember Yanukovych was voted in by the electorate and now there's no real central government. There are videos showing that armed militia are the ones in charge in many places...Confused

Agreed. And also strangely enough the western powers had no real objections to the overthrow of the government; I doubt they were expecting things to move in the opposite direction.


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I strongly believe in people's self determination. If Crimeans have decided to join Russia let's them do, it's their right.....


..... But now let's speak a bit about Chechnya...

and why not...Tibet, Kurdistan, Uighuristan, Ulster and Basque Country.
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The problem is that the two opposition sides in Ukraine were never really independent to begin with. The current interim authorities in Kiev are reliant on support from the US and the EU, while the older authorities' industrial base in the East relies on Russian markets.... I can see both sides trying to stir up instability in Ukraine (which is exactly what they have done). I can see a massive war breaking out in this region anytime soon....
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It's ok now. Theres a solution:

http://news.msn.com/offbeat/ukrainian-women-have-started-a-hilarious-campaign-to-deny-sex-to-russian-men


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I would say this is not exactly ideal, but in a warped way it works out...If Russia wants Crimea so bad (and if they wanted to be Russia) then OK, and now Ukraine can maybe be more independent, with the pro Russian area no longer part of Ukraine. I heard in response to all this Ukraine was going to try to strengthen ties with the EU. 

I WOULD say all that, except I fear Russia isn't done :( :(  
If it stays like this though, well...guess it's better than alternatives....
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.

It's not like anything since the interim government came anything is done "legally". Remember Yanukovych was voted in by the electorate and now there's no real central government. There are videos showing that armed militia are the ones in charge in many places...Confused
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It was impressive that while EU/US etc. were debating on how illegal the referendum and Russia's actions are etc. etc., Russia has already annexed the territory and game over. No matter how much discussion is going to go on, this is a done deal. And we have seen examples of how powerless UN and EU are already so I have no doubts this whole matter is settled and we move on.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/25/shooting-far-right-leader-tensions-ukraine

Ugh oh... Why are our governments going to sent these people more money?!?! This is crazy, this sounds like a targeted assassination....Ouch


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Ugh oh... Why are our governments going to sent these people more money?!?! This is crazy, this sounds like a targeted assassination....Ouch
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Referendum day tomorrow. I think we all know how the voting will go..


Crimea shouldn't be part of Ukraine in my opinion. My Ukrainian friends says the whole place is very Russian anyways,  but NATO wants that Black Sea presence due to vast oil and gas fields in the sea..
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Serbian fascists ( "chetniks" ), as Putin's fans at check point at Crimea, 2014







Chetniks with Nazi officers, Yugoslavia ( Serbia ) 1944.



It seems like extremists are there in both sides... Let's hope one of them doesn't pull the trigger.
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Referendum day tomorrow. I think we all know how the voting will go..

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Serbian fascists ( "chetniks" ), as Putin's fans at check point at Crimea, 2014







Chetniks with Nazi officers, Yugoslavia ( Serbia ) 1944.
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Interesting reports, but now there are reports emerging from several online sources detailing about Andrey Parubiy, who is the interim leader of the  National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, who might have been involved in the sniper shootings via support from US secret service groups. The interesting thing to have him in any position of power, because he was the founder of the Ukrainian Social National Party, who is the precursor to the much more milder far-right party Svoboda. Just for reference, many here might recognize this symbol immediately if any of their family members fought the Nazis:



If anyone is offended by this symbol, I'll remove it immediately (I'm trying to prove a point here).

Interesting coming after the leaked conversation between Catherine Ashton and the Estonian FM Paet....


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(Reuters) - China's top envoy to Germany has warned the West against punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control.

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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 02:23
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I also heard that Kosovo is also a depot for organ and slave trafficking into Europe. Since you live closer to Kosovo, do you know anything about that?

Serbia was investigating reports that Kosovar Albanian terrorists have been selling human organs of kidnapped Serbs to western countries since the 1998-99 conflict.
The investigative judge wants to interrogate Carla del Ponte and Florence Hartmann, former ICTY spokeswoman, regarding the fate of the kidnapped Kosovo Serbs. Both Del Ponte and Hartmann have stated during the past years that UNMIK officials have blocked the investigation.
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I also heard that Kosovo is also a depot for organ and slave trafficking into Europe. Since you live closer to Kosovo, do you know anything about that?
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

A good article about this whole crisis. It's all about the oil and the gas!!!!



ITS ALWAYS about the Oil and the Gas! Ouch Except Afghanistan , let us not forget , one of the only places on the planet where 4 nuclear powers meet, explaining why the USA and UK are around checking out the neighborhood! Sleepy



That war is about oil as well! But also control of the world's opium and heroin supplies!!!!

Few people actually know that NATO took Kosovo from Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (now Republic of Serbia) due to the vast mineral wealth of the local territory.
Although unexplored until the end , mineral resources in Kosovo in recent years draws more and more attention to the domestic and global public . An increasing number of foreign companies that deal assessments of existing and potential mineral deposits in Kosovo. The corporations from the NATO members countries are the most interesting in quantities of precious and rare metals silver, gold and platinum , indium , germanium , thallium , selenium , tellurium , rubidium - used in new technologies , in the airline industry and missile industries .

And while the world's experts estimate that the value of deposits of zinc , silver, lead , nickel and some other so-called strategic minerals in Kosovo exceeds the value of 1.000 billion U.S. dollars , that equally important is ore reserves of lignite. According to the claims of many interlocutors " news " in the area of ​​Kosovo has so far tested about 19 billion tons of coal that could be illuminating the whole of Europe within the next hundred years .
Although lignite tested in the area of the central part of the province , it is assumed that it is far more in the area of ​​Metohija around Kačanik village.

The reserves of lead-zinc ores are found in the mines "Hajvalia" , "Rainwater" and "Old Square" , while it is estimated that the mine "Novo Brdo" has copper and gold, copper and manganese are spread throughout Prokletija mountains . Bauxite ore is found around Klina town , while , for example , reserves ferronickel around Glogoc estimated at fifteen million tons . At the same time , the area of ​​Djakovica and Orahovac towns are deposits of chrome and magnesite in Goles mountain.

I've not read a single report of economic prosperity in Kosovo or the former Yugoslav republics. It seems that our wealthy US ogliarchs are benefitting mightily these days. I've read a statistic somewhere that the real unemployment for the US is almost 20% and if you count marginalized people, the underemployed and people struggling, it's 40%. I was thinking of relocating to where some of my relatives live (Singapore), but that's not entirely secure either these days with the rumblings of a new Cold War in Asia between the US and China...

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Kosovo Telecom WILL BE VERY SOON in property of Madeleine Albright  , Wesley Clark buys mines.
Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is most likely to buy the most profitable company in Kosovo , Telecom , and Wesley Clark , former commander of NATO forces in Europe has to deal with lignite .

Clark plans to apply the technology of converting coal to liquid fuel, and so far have tried just Chinese. The technology is researched and environmentally problematic, and many feel that it is a true ecological bomb that former general preparation Kosovo. Kosovo is already rich with gold , silver, zinc , and all that Clark knows , because it has long been in the area

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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

A good article about this whole crisis. It's all about the oil and the gas!!!!



ITS ALWAYS about the Oil and the Gas! Ouch Except Afghanistan , let us not forget , one of the only places on the planet where 4 nuclear powers meet, explaining why the USA and UK are around checking out the neighborhood! Sleepy



That war is about oil as well! But also control of the world's opium and heroin supplies!!!!

Few people actually know that NATO took Kosovo from Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (now Republic of Serbia) due to the vast mineral wealth of the local territory.
Although unexplored until the end , mineral resources in Kosovo in recent years draws more and more attention to the domestic and global public . An increasing number of foreign companies that deal assessments of existing and potential mineral deposits in Kosovo. The corporations from the NATO members countries are the most interesting in quantities of precious and rare metals silver, gold and platinum , indium , germanium , thallium , selenium , tellurium , rubidium - used in new technologies , in the airline industry and missile industries .

And while the world's experts estimate that the value of deposits of zinc , silver, lead , nickel and some other so-called strategic minerals in Kosovo exceeds the value of 1.000 billion U.S. dollars , that equally important is ore reserves of lignite. According to the claims of many interlocutors " news " in the area of ​​Kosovo has so far tested about 19 billion tons of coal that could be illuminating the whole of Europe within the next hundred years .
Although lignite tested in the area of the central part of the province , it is assumed that it is far more in the area of ​​Metohija around Kačanik village.

The reserves of lead-zinc ores are found in the mines "Hajvalia" , "Rainwater" and "Old Square" , while it is estimated that the mine "Novo Brdo" has copper and gold, copper and manganese are spread throughout Prokletija mountains . Bauxite ore is found around Klina town , while , for example , reserves ferronickel around Glogoc estimated at fifteen million tons . At the same time , the area of ​​Djakovica and Orahovac towns are deposits of chrome and magnesite in Goles mountain.

I've not read a single report of economic prosperity in Kosovo or the former Yugoslav republics. It seems that our wealthy US ogliarchs are benefitting mightily these days. I've read a statistic somewhere that the real unemployment for the US is almost 20% and if you count marginalized people, the underemployed and people struggling, it's 40%..  Once they boost military spending and put more debt on our backs, that statistic might explode....

 I was thinking of relocating to where some of my relatives live (Singapore), but that's not entirely secure either these days with the rumblings of a new Cold War in Asia between the US and China... Maybe I'll get a job in Uruguay, they legalized some good green stuff and they're a peaceful, pacifist country!Cool It seems that our futures are quite dim these days.... 


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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

A good article about this whole crisis. It's all about the oil and the gas!!!!



ITS ALWAYS about the Oil and the Gas! Ouch Except Afghanistan , let us not forget , one of the only places on the planet where 4 nuclear powers meet, explaining why the USA and UK are around checking out the neighborhood! Sleepy



That war is about oil as well! But also control of the world's opium and heroin supplies!!!!

Few people actually know that NATO took Kosovo from Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (now Republic of Serbia) due to the vast mineral wealth of the local territory.
Although unexplored until the end , mineral resources in Kosovo in recent years draws more and more attention to the domestic and global public . An increasing number of foreign companies that deal assessments of existing and potential mineral deposits in Kosovo. The corporations from the NATO members countries are the most interesting in quantities of precious and rare metals - silver, gold and platinum , indium , germanium , thallium , selenium , tellurium , rubidium - used in new technologies , in the airline industry and missile industries .

And while the world's experts estimate that the value of deposits of zinc , silver, lead , nickel and some other so-called strategic minerals in Kosovo exceeds the value of 1.000 billion U.S. dollars , that equally important is ore reserves of lignite. According to the claims of many interlocutors " news " in the area of ​​Kosovo has so far tested about 19 billion tons of coal that could be illuminating the whole of Europe within the next hundred years .
Although lignite tested in the area of the central part of the province , it is assumed that it is far more in the area of ​​Metohija around Kačanik village.

The reserves of lead-zinc ores are found in the mines "Hajvalia" , "Rainwater" and "Old Square" , while it is estimated that the mine "Novo Brdo" has copper and gold, copper and manganese are spread throughout Prokletija mountains . Bauxite ore is found around Klina town , while , for example , reserves ferronickel around Glogoc estimated at fifteen million tons . At the same time , the area of ​​Djakovica and Orahovac towns are deposits of chrome and magnesite in Goles mountain.


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