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Posted: February 24 2014 at 19:17
RedNightmareKing wrote:
The big one that came to mind immediately was Rainbow's "Stargazer" by the amazing Cozy Powell.
Yeah, that's a righteous example.
A slightly more modern example I like is the intro to Judas Priest's title song from Painkiller. I'm not exactly a JP "fan," but they have some great songs, like "Desert Plains" and "Hellion/Electric Eye."
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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:12
Horizons wrote:
I still don't understand how that changes his level of professionalism.
It doesn't. There were guys before Guy who could chop more proficiently than Guy. He can do better. He still has more room. Just because you have a few classy drum fills up your sleeve, that doesn't automatically make you a pro.
Horizons wrote:
Does that mean Ringo Star is barely professional because so many drummers posses better technical skill?
Give me one performance where Ringo chopped proficiently.
Horizons wrote:
Guy does a great job on Arrow, and in VdGG in general.
On "Arrow", "Killer", ... yes, but most of the time it sounds to me as if he is just there for rhythm back-up.
There's more to a drummer than playing sophisticated fills. Fills don't make a "professional" drummer. That's what you're saying in statement 1 correct? Good, i agree.
Statement 2: Strawberry Fields Forever is a fantastic Ringo song. Same with Good Morning Good Morning.
Statement 3. guy is a great drummer, and isn't limited to those songs. Honestly i think most of his performances are adequate and are both interesting and stable. Even so, even if we has just a metronome for VdGG's time signatures - he's still a professional. Session musicians are paid to do the same, and it's still his job and performs his role well.
I agreed because you said the same thing. I still am trying to avoid your usage of professional. Only thing we disagree on it seems is you think a drummer's job is to w**k off during complicated fills.
An example of an excellent drummer, doing an excellent percussion performance without using complicated fills.
Edit: w**k is censored? Isn't there an age limit anyway?
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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:56
Horizons wrote:
I agreed because you said the same thing.
Never mind about that one. It sounds like we'll fall into a rabbit-hole if we go further down this path.
Horizons wrote:
I still am trying to avoid your usage of professional.
I thought there was only one legit usage of the word (the one that ostensibly the two of us agreed on beforehand). If you can't play proficiently, you are not at the pro level, right?
Horizons wrote:
Only thing we disagree on it seems is you think a drummer's job is to w**k off during complicated fills.
I said nothing of the kind, nor did I imply it. If you are able to come up with more ideas on spot for the same song, isn't that something that only a pro can do?
Horizons wrote:
An example of an excellent drummer, doing an excellent percussion performance without using complicated fills.
OK ... what's so professional about this performance
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