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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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It's almost a civil war over there now. But one thing is really interesting. Who finances that riot?
Possible answers The European Union : they want to expand their influence in Europe. Russia: they provoke the conflict to divide Ukrainian society because it's easier to control a divided nation. International Monetary Fund (inspired by the US and possibly the EU): because they need more borrowers as Romania and Hungary are no longer interested in loans that create an extra debt. USA: American government who wants to control shale gas fields in the western part of Ukraine, which is possible after Ukraine signed $10 billion shale gas deal with American company Chevron. Common people: after propaganda spread in media "Ukrainians want freedom". Of course media create that image for political purposes Any other ideas? Edited by LSDisease - January 23 2014 at 11:57 |
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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All of them.
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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yeah it's possible
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ole-the-first ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2012 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 1534 |
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I'm afraid that that kind of scenario is way too hard for Russian government ![]() Actually, the whole Eastern Ukraine is on pro-Russian positions and the Western Ukraine is on more nationalist side. That's been this way for more than twenty years. Both parties are almost equally influential, so sometimes pro-Russian parties take control over Ukraine and sometimes the nationalists do so. The Russian intention is of course to have influence on Ukrainian politics, but rather by lobbying the already existing pro-Russian side. |
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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Objectively speaking, Russian government is pretty well organized and influential. At least in comparsion with other governments in Eastern Europe. It's better for Ukraine to stay where they are. The EU is deader than dead. Edited by LSDisease - January 24 2014 at 04:58 |
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ole-the-first ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2012 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 1534 |
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Ahh, it's still quite influential but it's barely well-organized. During the past few years the State Duma is getting more and more idiotic and every political desicion or adopted law could be done in a dramatically different (and smarter) way. Honestly, the political life in Russia looks more like a circus than any conscious form of ruling apparatus. As for Ukraine, I don't support nor pro-Russian, nor pro-EU party. I just never lived there and I can't judge what would be the better way for their country. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Oh yippee, another pointless conspiracy conspiracy.
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What?
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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There's no stupider law than the one being created in the EU offices. Trust me. Edited by LSDisease - January 23 2014 at 12:51 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I'm not convinced anyone is 'funding the riots' That's not so say that uprisings are never influenced and part funded by outside parties.
I've not been following the problems in Ukraine very closely, but it appears - from the outside - that the majority want EU membership and don't want to go backwards into Russias sphere of influence. Not that the EU is a great bet right now.. ![]() |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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You forgot about the possibility of an extraterrestrial funding.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Yes, of course. Conspiracy theories are hatched by government operatives to make the 'official line' on anything seem more credible... ![]() |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Conspiracies are then hatched by the targets of conspiracy theories to make the official conspiracy a little less conspiratorial...
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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I think that comrade Stalin made mistake due to Galitzia wasn't republic in USSR. In that case, Galitzia would be an independet state now, as for example Moldova, and everything be quiet up there. But who could have know in advance, even Stalin could not have to know that. Thus, Ukraine will forever be at dangerous seesaw between Russia and EU (NATO). Edited by Svetonio - January 23 2014 at 14:46 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Then the original conspiritors make sure that the more seemigly plausible conspiracy theories are always juxtoposed in the media - which they obviously control - with obviously ridicuouls theories - the queen is a lizard, the moonlanding was shot in Nevada etc etc - to detract crebility from them... ![]() ![]() ![]() Complex isn't it... ![]() |
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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Eastern Galicia wouldn't be an independent state, it would be Polish same as the Western Galicia is. Stalin didn't want that. Edited by LSDisease - January 24 2014 at 04:57 |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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The most insightful English-language overview of the political situation in Ukraine that I've read so far comes from oddly enough the usually hit-and-miss, and almost always cranky, right-libertarian webzine Taki's Magazine. Then again it's a guest contribution from Scott Locklin who's one of my favourite bloggers rather than one of their regular columnists.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16889 |
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I have some Ukrainian friends. Horrible proxy conflict going on there. Good luck to them.
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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All of them are wrong: the riots are financed by the FEMEN! ![]() |
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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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Personally, I believe it's the fault of an extra-terrestrial Marxist (and therefore racist) feminist movement funding the riots to convert the Ukraine to capitalism. There - that should tick all the boxes, can we close the thread now please? |
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