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    Posted: December 15 2013 at 22:48
A sub-sub genre? Perhaps! Just trying to stir the kettle a bit here


Was "Eleanor Rigby" by The Beatles the first Chamber Prog song?


Some of my favorite Chamber Prog:

1. "Palace of Mirrors" by Estradasphere
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

2. "Koralrevens Klagesang" by Panzerpappa
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

3. "Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'enfer" by Art Zoyd
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

4. "~" by iamthemorning
Link to PA album in Crossover Prog

5. "Signs of Life" by Penguin Café Orchestra
Link to PA album in Eclectic Prog

6. "Implosion" by Univers Zero
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2013 at 22:53
Univers Zero and Art Zoyd were both terrific, but I prefer Art Zoyd's more eletronic works, escpecially 'Berlin'. Zoyd's soundtracks for classic expressionist films are excellent as well.

iamthemorning counts for me as the best debut of last few years, great guys. Didn't expected that music from Russia could be so good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2013 at 23:04
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

Univers Zero and Art Zoyd were both terrific, but I prefer Art Zoyd's more eletronic works, escpecially 'Berlin'. Zoyd's soundtracks for classic expressionist films are excellent as well.iamthemorning counts for me as the best debut of last few years, great guys. Didn't expected that music from Russia could be so good.


I haven't listened to a lot the AZ electronic albums, so, I can't offer a good opinion yet. I seem to prefer a more traditional approach when it comes to Chamber Prog. It's an on going musical journey



iamthemorning's "~" is a great debut. I have high hopes for their next album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2013 at 23:13
Elanor Rigby is chamber but not prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2013 at 23:29
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Elanor Rigby is chamber but not prog



I don't entirely agree but....probably.

I think it was Prog in its time (Prog did not exist in 1966) but is not considered Prog now as it's too traditional Chamber. Kind of like Elvis Costello and The Brodsky Quartet's "The Juliet Letters" are Chamber but not Prog....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 08:12
Hi,
 
If you ever want to hear "pure" chamber music with electric instruments, Terje Rypdal's EOS has to be in the collection. Beware to skip the first cut that was put in there to make sure you wanted to hear things, and is meant to take you out!
 
There is no better that I have ever heard, and in some cases, the list so far is a "quasi" type list for me.
 
But I always felt bad that many "progressive" or "prog" folks will not listen to ECM and give it the credit it deserves. Terje taught Jeff Beck how to do the soaring piece that flies ... and is not a solo for a stupid rock song! It's an actual piece of music that is composed and designed just like the Chamber Music of yesteryears!
 
This album, is likely too progressive and classical for the tastes of most folks here. The first cut, btw, is a metal assault, in case you don't think it was done in 1972 and doesn't fit the album, but I think it was a serious joke to throw off the jazz'ists and the folks that don't listen to music!
 
Two other versions of Eleanor Rigby that I think are better ... Esperanto in the "Last Dance" album, and Ides of March's first album. Both are fabulous and I think even better than the actual Beatles version.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 08:26
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

A sub-sub genre? Perhaps! Just trying to stir the kettle a bit here


Was "Eleanor Rigby" by The Beatles the first Chamber Prog song?


Some of my favorite Chamber Prog:

1. "Palace of Mirrors" by Estradasphere
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

2. "Koralrevens Klagesang" by Panzerpappa
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

3. "Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'enfer" by Art Zoyd
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

4. "~" by iamthemorning
Link to PA album in Crossover Prog

5. "Signs of Life" by Penguin Café Orchestra
Link to PA album in Eclectic Prog

6. "Implosion" by Univers Zero
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

I love everything listed here. This is one of my favorite styles. Regarding "Eleanor Rigby" ...I don't truly see much of a difference between Procol Harum's "Fires (which burnt brightly)" and "Eleanor Rigby" when it comes to structure and overall approach musically. The 2 songs are totally different from each other regarding the actual chord changes, but the idea of structure in sound and style is the same approach musically speaking. Procol Harum are often mentioned on P.A. , but consider Gary Brooker singing "Cry Baby Cry" from the White Album and the musical elements are evident.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 11:22
^Moshkito: So agree with you on ECM and the “Eos” album (which was co-credited to Rypdal and David Darling).

I always thought Le Orme’s “Florian” had a chamber-music feel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 11:48
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
If you ever want to hear "pure" chamber music with electric instruments, Terje Rypdal's EOS has to be in the collection. Beware to skip the first cut that was put in there to make sure you wanted to hear things, and is meant to take you out!
 
There is no better that I have ever heard, and in some cases, the list so far is a "quasi" type list for me.
 
But I always felt bad that many "progressive" or "prog" folks will not listen to ECM and give it the credit it deserves. Terje taught Jeff Beck how to do the soaring piece that flies ... and is not a solo for a stupid rock song! It's an actual piece of music that is composed and designed just like the Chamber Music of yesteryears!
 
This album, is likely too progressive and classical for the tastes of most folks here. The first cut, btw, is a metal assault, in case you don't think it was done in 1972 and doesn't fit the album, but I think it was a serious joke to throw off the jazz'ists and the folks that don't listen to music!
 
Two other versions of Eleanor Rigby that I think are better ... Esperanto in the "Last Dance" album, and Ides of March's first album. Both are fabulous and I think even better than the actual Beatles version.
 
I do prefer my Chamber Prog the trad way, but, always willing to hear something new, so, I will listen to some of "EOS".
 
Of course I remember the 1970 "Vehicle" single by the Ides of March. Very much in the style of Chicago Transit Authority's first album. Great song. It's been years since I've heard their version of "Eleanor Rigby" and I can't recall how it sounds. I must look into that.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 11:52
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

A sub-sub genre? Perhaps! Just trying to stir the kettle a bit here


Was "Eleanor Rigby" by The Beatles the first Chamber Prog song?


Some of my favorite Chamber Prog:

1. "Palace of Mirrors" by Estradasphere
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

2. "Koralrevens Klagesang" by Panzerpappa
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

3. "Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'enfer" by Art Zoyd
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

4. "~" by iamthemorning
Link to PA album in Crossover Prog

5. "Signs of Life" by Penguin Café Orchestra
Link to PA album in Eclectic Prog

6. "Implosion" by Univers Zero
Link to PA album in RIO/Avant-Prog

I love everything listed here. This is one of my favorite styles. Regarding "Eleanor Rigby" ...I don't truly see much of a difference between Procol Harum's "Fires (which burnt brightly)" and "Eleanor Rigby" when it comes to structure and overall approach musically. The 2 songs are totally different from each other regarding the actual chord changes, but the idea of structure in sound and style is the same approach musically speaking. Procol Harum are often mentioned on P.A. , but consider Gary Brooker singing "Cry Baby Cry" from the White Album and the musical elements are evident.
 
Haven't listened to "Grand Hotel" in years. Will give a listen to "Fires (Which Burn Brightly) again.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Add Aranis, Julverne, DAAU, Arteria, & 5 Storey Ensemble
 
Will seek out  Aranis, Julverne, DAAU and Arteria.
 
I've been listening to Five-Storey Ensemble's "Not That City" album on and off for the last few weeks....some of it has reached me and some I'm still in need of hearing more of.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 12:34
Art Zoyd may be my favourite band in PA, and Generation Sans Futur is to me one of their greatest.  Univers Zero's debut is my favourite of UZ.  Presents first two are musts

I'd recommend Volapuk amongst the more modern ones (Polyglot and Where is Tamashii? are my faves -- see youtube)., as well as  Rational Diet, Aranis, and  DAAU is great.  Also Far Corner, Yugen, Ahvak, Zypressen...

Although it's not really prog, a favourite chamber music album of mine that I think would appeal to
various RIO chamber prog fans is Kronos Quartet's Mugam Sayagi.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 12:54
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iamthemorning's "~" is a great debut. I have high hopes for their next album.

So do I - but I wouldn't consider them chamber prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 12:56
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

A sub-sub genre? Perhaps! Just trying to stir the kettle a bit here 
 


I don't think it's too controversial that this does indeed exist as a "sub-sub genre", as you say.  The term has been thrown around these parts for quite some time.  Certainly one of my favorite types of "prog" music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 13:00
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

 
iamthemorning's "~" is a great debut. I have high hopes for their next album.

So do I - but I wouldn't consider them chamber prog.
 
Not in the sense of The Penguin Cafe Orchestra or early Art Zoyd or early Univers Zero. But I think there are enough Chamber Prog stylistic elements in their music to see them as Chamber Prog. Epecially songs like "touching II" and "i.b.too".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 13:04
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

 
iamthemorning's "~" is a great debut. I have high hopes for their next album.

So do I - but I wouldn't consider them chamber prog.
 
Not in the sense of The Penguin Cafe Orchestra or early Art Zoyd or early Univers Zero. But I think there are enough Chamber Prog stylistic elements in their music to see them as Chamber Prog. Epecially songs like "touching II" and "i.b.too".

I'll have to listen to the album again, but I'm pretty sure I won't change my mind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 13:16
I've always considered this one of the first 'chamber prog' songs and certainly an influence on AZ and UZ.


 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2013 at 13:17
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

A sub-sub genre? Perhaps! Just trying to stir the kettle a bit here 
 


I don't think it's too controversial that this does indeed exist as a "sub-sub genre", as you say.  The term has been thrown around these parts for quite some time.  Certainly one of my favorite types of "prog" music.
 
Chamber Prog.....the  words bring to my mind many great pop songs I listened to when younger that have very well written chamber orchestra parts.
 
Stuff like "Eleanor Rigby", "Strawberry Fields Forever", The live version of Procol Harum's "Conquistador", The Stones "Moonlight Mile".......
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