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ebil0505
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Posted: November 24 2013 at 18:37 |
I always thought it would be up there in the prog charts but apparently most people think otherwise, which is a shame. It is a great album after all.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 23 2013 at 04:40 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
we get mindless self indulgent drivel praising God and Jesus Christ from Neal Morse which stretches beyond 2 hours.
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Hey !! Ease up, tiger - Morse is God
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: November 23 2013 at 02:12 |
I'll never understand why TFTO cops so much criticism for being over long when it clocks in under eighty minutes, while we get mindless self indulgent drivel praising God and Jesus Christ from Neal Morse which stretches beyond 2 hours.
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 22 2013 at 21:45 |
Kazza3 wrote:
'Leaves of Green' is the name given to the acoustic section near the end of the Ancient.I think I read somewhere a while ago that Jon recently (in the last 10 years, I think) tried to get a cut 50-min version of the album released, but the album wouldn't let him? Dunno if it's true, it'd be interesting, but I think it'd ruin it for m.e
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The last 6 min (or the last 4)? And yeah, I think this was actually the song I liked the least, but those last 6 min are definitley the nicest part of it.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: November 22 2013 at 14:57 |
Count me in as one of the few people who really like "the ancient." It has this strange otherworldly quality and I think it goes with the album cover more than any other track on the album.
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bob8822
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Posted: November 22 2013 at 02:17 |
It
ranks very high in my list of all-time favorite albums actually.
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Kazza3
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 22:04 |
'Leaves of Green' is the name given to the acoustic section near the end of the Ancient.
I think I read somewhere a while ago that Jon recently (in the last 10 years, I think) tried to get a cut 50-min version of the album released, but the album wouldn't let him? Dunno if it's true, it'd be interesting, but I think it'd ruin it for m.e
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 20:55 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Genital Giant wrote:
I'm in agreement with Wakeman that they had enough material for a great single album, but not a double album. I still listen to it though, regardless of the less than wonderful moments. The only tune that I don't really listen to is "The Ancient" which I only like for "Leaves of Green". While I appreciate what Howe was trying to do on that tune with his pedal steel, trying to do a more micro-tonal thing, the effect of it is pretty awful. He doesn't have any experience playing micro-tonal music, and it shows.
| I agree with Rick's assessment too for the most part. However, it has sort of grown on me over time. I haven't heard it lately though but I plan on getting it again soon. You lost me with some of your comments but I agree that it would have been really good as a single disc(I feel the same way about Lamb). |
I'm with you guys too. Perhaps the album would have lost a bit of it's grandness and bigger than life sensation. But I truly believe it could have been a 5 star album in my book if they had trimmed it a bit. As it is, I guess I might give it 4 stars, mainly on the strength of "Revealing Science of God". By the way, which is that "Leaves of Green" segment you talk about? I think I've heard something about it before, but it's not marked as such in the album, where there is no sub-divisons within the songs at all. If there are suposed to be some subdivisons on the songs, or separated segments, I'd be interested to know. Perhaps it's something like the "Soon" segment of Gates of Delirium, which is not marked on the album, but everyone knows about it.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 20:17 |
Genital Giant wrote:
I'm in agreement with Wakeman that they had enough material for a great single album, but not a double album. I still listen to it though, regardless of the less than wonderful moments. The only tune that I don't really listen to is "The Ancient" which I only like for "Leaves of Green". While I appreciate what Howe was trying to do on that tune with his pedal steel, trying to do a more micro-tonal thing, the effect of it is pretty awful. He doesn't have any experience playing micro-tonal music, and it shows.
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I agree with Rick's assessment too for the most part. However, it has sort of grown on me over time. I haven't heard it lately though but I plan on getting it again soon. You lost me with some of your comments but I agree that it would have been really good as a single disc(I feel the same way about Lamb).
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 20:14 |
It's good but it's usually too much to take in in one listen. Not my favorite by the affirmative boys but it's in my top half dozen probably.
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Genital Giant
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 19:34 |
I'm in agreement with Wakeman that they had enough material for a great single album, but not a double album. I still listen to it though, regardless of the less than wonderful moments. The only tune that I don't really listen to is "The Ancient" which I only like for "Leaves of Green". While I appreciate what Howe was trying to do on that tune with his pedal steel, trying to do a more micro-tonal thing, the effect of it is pretty awful. He doesn't have any experience playing micro-tonal music, and it shows.
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Progging
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 14:12 |
Great album, very progressive, great performance from Jon Anderson!
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progbethyname
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 17:10 |
Oh Tales. I shall give you one more hug for all your greatness you have given me before I leave this forum.
40 years baby!!!
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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☆Timelessd
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Posted: November 17 2013 at 12:43 |
Fantastic album, huge fan.
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M27Barney
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Posted: November 17 2013 at 12:24 |
TFTO - Loved by true connoisseurs of Symphonic progressive rock. Hated by nearly everybody else - and often used as the paradigm for the progressive rock dinosaurs who nearly destroyed music (SIC) only for it to be saved by the musical integrity of the new wave (Punk) - oh how that still makes me laugh at yet another facet of mass-humankind ignorance....
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 12:42 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Greatest album ever made.
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... of all time, across all genres ... or 2nd greatest ... I still can't decide. Took me about two-three listens to finally dig it.
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Heck, took me over a dozen listens before I finally dug it. What a rewarding trek though. My brother loves to give the album a little hate, but he's yet to make it the entire way through even once. I keep working with him though
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Dust in the Kitchen
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 23:39 |
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 15:35 |
Bitterblogger wrote:
Thanks. Saw the Relayer tour (2nd concert I ever attended), and own the
video you mentioned. It's been cleaned up somewhat regarding the mix. The original was sure a mess! |
Cool. I saw the YesSolo '76 tour with Moraz (my 2nd concert as well) and I love this video because they used the same 3 headed hydra stage set when I saw them. I love that part in the video where they all come to the front of the stage to acknowledge the crowd and Moraz nearly trips over his 3 inch high heel boots
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 00:12 |
Thanks. Saw the Relayer tour (2nd concert I ever attended), and own the
video you mentioned. It's been cleaned up somewhat regarding the mix. The original was sure a mess!
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