Rando wrote: Stool Man wrote: There are clichés in everything, of course.  But what are the clichés of progressive rock?    Rock Music Critics & Journalists that hate Prog are cliches of Progressive Rock.

Wow, never thought DT so sad, but almost every progmetal today seems to be made to cry, think seriously about life, etc.

That's why I like A.C.T!

Playing a Gibson guitar (Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Alex Lifeson, Robert Fripp Martin Barre), like you said playing a Rickenbacker bass with Rotosound Strings (Mike Rutheford, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, even Cliff Burton), a big drum kit (like every prog drummer) and Hammonds, Mellotrons, Moogs (Like every keybordist)

kingesis2 wrote: Playing a Gibson guitar (Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Alex Lifeson, Robert Fripp Martin Barre), like you said playing a Rickenbacker bass with Rotosound Strings (Mike Rutheford, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, even Cliff Burton), a big drum kit (like every prog drummer) and Hammonds, Mellotrons, Moogs (Like every keybordist)

If your talking about big drum kits Terry Bozzio has that one nailed, he makes Neil Peart look modest.

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Fantastic quote Frank Zappa really was a genius.

I hate to say it but it seems even many modern prog bands seem to hold on to certain prog cliches. I guess there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself but it depends on how it's done.

Based on what I've heard other people say I'd have to say some prog cliches are songs that are over 10 minutes long, obligatory use of the mellotron, musicians wearing capes, lyrics about wizards, fairies, dragons etc. I'm sure there are others.

WeepingElf wrote: The.Crimson.King wrote: "Definition of rock journalism:  People who can't write, doing interviews with people who can't think, in order to prepare articles for people who can't read." - Frank Zappa Zappa pretty much hit the nail on its head. Face it: rock journalism is not about music.  It is about sex, drugs and rock'n'roll: sexual escapades of rock stars, drug problems of rock stars, and violence at concerts, from musicians smashing their guitars to riots in the audience.  And that's why rock journalists hate prog: it doesn't give them stories - the "boring old farts" syndrome.  Progressive rock musicians and fans are simply too disciplined - they must be in order to write, play and enjoy music of this kind of complexity ;)  Of course, that means that there would be enough to write about the music, but most rock journalists just don't really care about that.  A rock star ODing on heroin (preferably at age 27) gives them a story; a band doing a 20-minuter in sonata form doesn't.

This is all very true. I have friends who are journalists and no doubt..after the story/article is printed, they shoot for the bar and have a few drinks mocking Progressive Rock, laughing ignorantly at the talents of the musicians and thinking they are real cute and slick regarding what lies they print. Because believe it or not, they tend to make up lies about the mainstream rockers. They interview someone, record it, and plough through the sections of it deciding what to leave out and what specifically to change. All of those actions revolve around the determination to cement the "Rock Star" image THEY insist on rotating for the industry. It's all based on how a artist must be presented and how not. Who the H makes those stupied ignorant rules and why? when...during the late 60's the freedom of music had no barriers and there was no catch to a deal or signed contract unless it dealt with your royalities which of course was a record company scam. But the freedom in Rock music was widely accepted and the record companies respected the fact you were a seasoned musician then.

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Chozal wrote: All technique and no feeling

 

Dancing Mad is a great song.