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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2012 at 18:23
or A.C.T is closer to a band like Saga, if you go by the logic of ether bands origins in date, 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2012 at 18:55
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

or A.C.T is closer to a band like Saga, if you go by the logic of ether bands origins in date, 


yes i thought about that statement after making my post. I think they have taken the guitar work of Saga in many places and, use also Queen's influence, in their own way. They are a underrated band in my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2012 at 14:56
I quit listening after "Beginner's Guide" (which is decent album).  Then I read some great reviews about "Trust"...so I bought it.  Now I like a lot of their newer material as much as their "classic" period...especially "Network" and "Marathon".  Still haven't heard "Full Circle" or "Cards" yet...and I couldn't stand "Generation 13".  "Trust" and "10,000 Days" is killer Saga.  Can't wait for their new one "20/20".

But...yeah...I'm a SAGA nut!  Pretty much a staple on my "The Purple Room" radio programme:

http://cjamlog3.cjam.ca/supercali/show_event.php?id=477&o=3&c=1&m=02&a=08&y=2012&w=1
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2012 at 15:05
....and BTW...wait 'til you hear Saga's new drummer Mike Thorne:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0lznYUATQ

He's a monster on the kit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2012 at 16:23
I will be in Toronto this weekend.  I think that I might try and find the new album as one of my "souvenirs" from the trip.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2012 at 16:39
Saga fan here. Worlds Apart, Silent Knight, and Images At Twilight are favorites of mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 11:27
Saga marathon time.  3 down.  Live album In Transit now playing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 04:42
Saga fly under the radar in the prog community, but they still have consistent quality in their albums. 

Especially this! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 05:06
I haven't listen to Saga in more than 20 years, I think.
I should try them out again. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 05:09
Actually can any Saga fans recommend their best albums? There are so many and i have heard only a few and am genuinely interested in expanding my knowledge of their music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 08:51
I would say that their debut through Behaviour are their best.  Their debut, Worlds Apart, and Heads or Tales are probably the top 3 from that batch.  The next 4 albums are OK but can be skipped until later.  Generation 13 is a good concept album and probably a good album to check out.  The Pleasure and the Pain is OK but can be skipped.  I enjoy the rest of them quite a bit for Full Circle through 20/20.  The Human Condition is good, but with a different singer, so may not be as representative as the rest of the albums. 
 
As you may be aware, Saga has a theme going with their albums.  They would have 1, 2, or 3 songs on an album that were a "chapter" of a concept story (Saga) that they created.  The first 8 chapters came from their first 4 or 5 albums.  They abandoned the concept for a few albums and then came back to it (on Full Circle I think) and did 8 more chapters.  The songs were not in order though so the idea was to anticipate the next album to get the chapters.  At any rate in 2005 they played a concert where they played the songs in order and released it as The Chapters Live.  This might be a good album to check out too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 08:59
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I would say that their debut through Behaviour are their best.  Their debut, Worlds Apart, and Heads or Tales are probably the top 3 from that batch.  The next 4 albums are OK but can be skipped until later.  Generation 13 is a good concept album and probably a good album to check out.  The Pleasure and the Pain is OK but can be skipped.  I enjoy the rest of them quite a bit for Full Circle through 20/20.  The Human Condition is good, but with a different singer, so may not be as representative as the rest of the albums. 
 
As you may be aware, Saga has a theme going with their albums.  They would have 1, 2, or 3 songs on an album that were a "chapter" of a concept story (Saga) that they created.  The first 8 chapters came from their first 4 or 5 albums.  They abandoned the concept for a few albums and then came back to it (on Full Circle I think) and did 8 more chapters.  The songs were not in order though so the idea was to anticipate the next album to get the chapters.  At any rate in 2005 they played a concert where they played the songs in order and released it as The Chapters Live.  This might be a good album to check out too.


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I have some listening to do then!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:04
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I would say that their debut through Behaviour are their best.  Their debut, Worlds Apart, and Heads or Tales are probably the top 3 from that batch.  The next 4 albums are OK but can be skipped until later.  Generation 13 is a good concept album and probably a good album to check out.  The Pleasure and the Pain is OK but can be skipped.  I enjoy the rest of them quite a bit for Full Circle through 20/20.  The Human Condition is good, but with a different singer, so may not be as representative as the rest of the albums. 
 
As you may be aware, Saga has a theme going with their albums.  They would have 1, 2, or 3 songs on an album that were a "chapter" of a concept story (Saga) that they created.  The first 8 chapters came from their first 4 or 5 albums.  They abandoned the concept for a few albums and then came back to it (on Full Circle I think) and did 8 more chapters.  The songs were not in order though so the idea was to anticipate the next album to get the chapters.  At any rate in 2005 they played a concert where they played the songs in order and released it as The Chapters Live.  This might be a good album to check out too.


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I have some listening to do then!


Our tastes seem to be quite similar, so I think that you would like a lot of their stuff. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:11
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I would say that their debut through Behaviour are their best.  Their debut, Worlds Apart, and Heads or Tales are probably the top 3 from that batch.  The next 4 albums are OK but can be skipped until later.  Generation 13 is a good concept album and probably a good album to check out.  The Pleasure and the Pain is OK but can be skipped.  I enjoy the rest of them quite a bit for Full Circle through 20/20.  The Human Condition is good, but with a different singer, so may not be as representative as the rest of the albums. 
 
As you may be aware, Saga has a theme going with their albums.  They would have 1, 2, or 3 songs on an album that were a "chapter" of a concept story (Saga) that they created.  The first 8 chapters came from their first 4 or 5 albums.  They abandoned the concept for a few albums and then came back to it (on Full Circle I think) and did 8 more chapters.  The songs were not in order though so the idea was to anticipate the next album to get the chapters.  At any rate in 2005 they played a concert where they played the songs in order and released it as The Chapters Live.  This might be a good album to check out too.


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I have some listening to do then!


Our tastes seem to be quite similar, so I think that you would like a lot of their stuff. 

I look forward to discovering some more then!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:11
Probably an aberration here among prog fans, but I actually think their best work has been in the last 10 years (Network, Trust, 10,000 Days and their latest 20/20 are all excellent and even Human Condition was pretty good). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:19

Network was their first new release that I ever bought and I remember really enjoying it from the get go.  I am listening to it right now for the first time in a couple of years, and I am still enjoying it.  It is a really good album.  I definitely enjoy all of their latest albums as well. 

And just to throw another album out there, if you can find it, you might want to check out Negus' Dare to Dream.  This was their drummer's solo debut from 2007, and I think that it is really good too.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 09:20
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Probably an aberration here among prog fans, but I actually think their best work has been in the last 10 years (Network, Trust, 10,000 Days and their latest 20/20 are all excellent and even Human Condition was pretty good). 

fair enough - I will check em all out eventually - fascinating band...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 19:59
Well when they did Worlds Apart there was nothing left of prog at that time! Kansas, Yes, Genesis, etc. had all entered sellout eras--heck even Gentle Giant had sold out by that time

(Of course, it's actually not too surprising, once you figure that Gentle Giant always hated being lumped in with the pretentious symphonic bands--and that Derek Shulman went on to be a record exec.) 

Floyd had released Waters' epic (theatric, but barely prog) The Wall. Only to follow it up with the bland The Final Cut

Anyway, you wanted prog, Wind Him Up was it! Pitchman was as close as bands came to sounding like they actually wanted to make a statement with their playing, as opposed to their attitude, or just wanted to chart. I had to wait until Queensryche started making something to listen to in 1988. Just look at PA. For bands that produced in from 1981 to 1990, look at the prog ratings. The incredible Camel was done, Fripp was practically new wave--as was Eno. Ferry was interesting, but danceable, groovable and rather poppy. 

Again, a band that I had heard release this insipid poppy "All you do to me is talk talk", named "Talk Talk" and releasing an album "Talk Talk", made me pick up my head and notice when they recorded Life's What You Make It, making me at least consider that I had misjudged them. 

Then in the early nineteens nineties a frustrated pop-singer decided if he was going to fail in music it was by doing something he had always loved: 70s-style prog. And at the same time that Neal Morse was starting Spock's Beard, a band in Sweden Anglagaard started their work, and all of us Proglodytes came out of our caves into the sunlight. (Of course, I didn't know about any of this until 96. Unhappy)

So I think Saga has to be considered as stalwarts in the face of the prog backlash. 

Okay, I omitted Marillion releasing Script for a Jester's Tear ~ 1983, and we still had Fugazi in 84--but by 85, while still better than about anything else around Misplaced Childhood was their transition to pop-if-prog, and Fish was signing over everything

Like a depression-era victim: You don't know what we had to go through, boy!! LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2013 at 22:09
I must say that Worlds Apart has special memories for me as that was nearly the last prog type music I listened to at that time before I delved into the Classical and Jazz world for a decade or so until I came back to prog in the early 2000s.  Actually I just took Worlds Apart off the rotation a week ago.
 
What would be the best album by Saga that I should explore since I only am familiar with WA?  Seems 20/20 is getting some old time love....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2013 at 22:40
A few comments...

Saga was scheduled to play on Cruise To The Edge, but Jim Crichton's son died (car crash, I believe) a few days before the cruise.  Nonetheless, Michael Sadler (with Jim's blessing) went ahead on the cruise.  He did not play any Saga songs, but he did participate in a "meet & greet" and he did a set (along with Randy Jackson of Zebra on acoustic guitar, Saga's drummer, and another player on acoustic guitar and piano; Jim Gilmour maybe, but I didn't actually catch his name) of Beatles' songs (and Lennon's "Imagine"), and spoke some and answered questions.

Even with the recent tragedy he says the band intends to work on a new album later this year.

He was asked if they might tour the whole Generation 13 album, and answered that there has been some talk about doing something with it.  More than just playing the songs, it sounded like.  Cross fingers they get something good put together!

I personally have Generation 13, Network, Full Circle and 20/20.  While I would not put any of them in the "upper tier" of prog releases, I find them all to be quite worthy.  20/20 certainly is better than its star ratings here might indicate.

They also have yet another new drummer!  Sadler says he must stick around for at least ten years.  Wink
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