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lucas 
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 Posted: March 09 2013 at 13:48 |
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nice to see a bijelo dugme avatar.
Regarding the thread, I don't like Porcupine Tree and I don't like Steve Wilson's vocals. I also don't understand all the fuss around Porcupine Tree.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 13:52 |
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I love SW. I am a prog fan. Boom.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 14:06 |
 DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I love SW. I am a prog fan. Boom. |
Been listening to a lot of Tree recently. Check my sig. They are really great if maybe a bit dark and a bit melancholy
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Andy Webb
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 14:14 |
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I'm a bit late here, but this discussion seems to be more attuned to the subjects in the prog lounge, so I've moved it there.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 14:21 |
Snow Dog wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
I love SW. I am a prog fan. Boom. |
Been listening to a lot of Tree recently. Check my sig. They are really great if maybe a bit dark and a bit melancholy |
Good to see.  They're amazing. I've managed to make them one of my mother's favourite bands now even. 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 14:25 |
Andy Webb wrote:
I'm a bit late here, but this discussion seems to be more attuned to the subjects in the prog lounge, so I've moved it there. |
Wasn't it moved from there in the first place?
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elbownut
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 15:00 |
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Yes
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"Music was my first love and it will be my last" - John Miles "Music"
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Dean
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 15:11 |
sorcerer kermes wrote:
there`s always differences in opinions dear dean, and you were right at some points but i felt that your approach to this discussion somehow was not very friendly and i just couldn`t discuss with you, anyway i had no bad intentions.
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Your measures of friendliness are of no concern to me, if you do not wish to discuss then don't raise questions, each has an equal say in these discussion threads and an equal right to express their opinion.
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What?
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sorcerer kermes
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:25 |
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my measures are important to myself den! because of that i think talking to you is useless and just taking my energy without having anything in it so i dont have any reason to discuss any more with YOU ( i mean JUST YOU of course not anyone else here i enjoy listening to others opinions when they speak reasonably but i have the right not to have conversation with one particular person )
Edited by sorcerer kermes - March 09 2013 at 16:27
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Dean
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:29 |
sorcerer kermes wrote:
my measures are important to myself den! because of that i think talking to you is useless and just taking my energy without having anything in it so i dont have any reason to discuss any more with YOU ( i mean JUST YOU of course not anyone else here i enjoy listening to others opinions when they speak reasonably but i have the right not to have conversation with one particular person )
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Well, you just carry on not having a conversation with me then. I do admire your rudenss under pressure.
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What?
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sorcerer kermes
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:35 |
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sometimes rudeness(!) is very necessary against fanaticism.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:35 |
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Yes. The initial post was lame.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Dean
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:46 |
sorcerer kermes wrote:
sometimes rudeness(!) is very necessary against fanaticism.
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Okay. Time out.
Speaking as an Admin of this site I can assure you that rudeness is never necessary here. If you think it is then you can leave now.
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What?
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 17:47 |
It's prog.
It'll be prog until he releases the Country & Western album that's in the vaults.
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Dead Souls In The Rear View Mirror Hitch A Ride For A While..
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moshkito
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 09:12 |
Hi, I'm starting to think that Steven is just another kid that wants to play music, and he doesn't care what it is, and neither do I. It's just what he wants to play and do. I, personally, couldn't careless, if anyone/someone made progressive, prog or bull-shishkabob music! Rap might be good, too! I do think that he is spending too much time working everyone else's stuff, and he should concentrate more on his own, to make it better and more valuable. As such, he is stretching himself too far, and losing the touch with his own group and work! It might be "better" in terms of production and matering, but the music far inferior to anything out there that he has done before. Feels like the Rolling Stones, it's the best studio because they have plenty of money to go around, not because it is the best music or place to do it! Who cares about the music anyway?
Edited by moshkito - March 12 2013 at 09:31
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 09:19 |
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I have not heard Insurgentes (nor Raven yet, although this will soon be remedied) but Grace for Drowning in my opinion is definitely prog. In fact, I would say that quite a bit of that album harkens back to the old school prog days, and reminds me in some places of early Crimson. I also thought the Storm Corrosion CD was quite proggy and had a bit of a classic prog sound albeit much darker. However, even his more modern sounding stuff with PT is still prog. Just because something doesn't sound like it was made in 1972 doesn't mean it isn't prog.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 09:37 |
What about a poll : Steve Wilson VS Brian Wilson ? 
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 23:35 |
hellogoodbye wrote:
What about a poll : Steve Wilson VS Brian Wilson ? |
Brian Wilson, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Byrds, Small Faces, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Paul Simon are all innovative artists who advance the cause of Prog, without being regarded as Prog themselves, whereas Steven Wilson is Prog whether or not he acknowledges the fact (and performs with other Prog artists such as Steve Hackett, Opeth etc.)
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 13 2013 at 01:36 |
Listenning to the CSN's choirs of "Luminol", I think he acknowledges the fact.
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MACB
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Posted: March 13 2013 at 07:46 |
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yes he is. Also, the new album contains so many influence from classic prog rock that it is a good starter point for the less educated prog fans.
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Is Steven Wilson making Prog music?
