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infandous
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: March 07 2013 at 14:27 | ||
Well said Tom. Wilson simply asked, very politely, for people to please pay for his music (i.e. hard work, monetary investment, time investment, lively hood, etc.). The only people who consider such a request inappropriate and/or controversial are those who feel guilt (however buried deep down it may be) about taking his hard work and not paying for it. It's astounding to me that this even needs to be said. |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: March 07 2013 at 14:44 | ||
^ What I don't understand is why would anyone think of this request as inappropriate or controversial.
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: March 07 2013 at 16:10 | ||
Music DL=Satan . And Satan is bad. Don't be like Satan. Unless you are downloading Black Metal. Then I guess it's okay.
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: March 07 2013 at 16:22 | ||
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/music_industry /thread (but probably not) Edited by Failcore - March 07 2013 at 16:22 |
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: March 07 2013 at 19:16 | ||
Either guilt complex, as he said, or just feeling targeted. There were some comments of outrage in the FB link where Wilson posted this and they all claimed to have ordered it but to have also downloaded the leak because they couldn't wait to hear it. They thought of it as an attack on them for some reason. It was not but as Dean said, people get offended very easily these days. Wilson's concern is obviously that many of these downloads may not translate into album sales ever, and it is quite a legitimate one, he's not being paranoid there at all, as some of those who attacked him on FB said he was. |
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infandous
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 10:34 | ||
Well, quite a lot of artists do it the way it's depicted in the final panel. They aren't getting rich (or anywhere close to rich), but at least they get paid for their work this way. The big difference is that even though the record companies screwed musicians out of most of their royalties, in some cases the musicians still did okay or very well because of the sheer numbers of sales.........which was only possible because of record company promotion and resources. The artist selling direct to fans really is never going to achieve the kind of success that bands had in the 70's and 80's. Of course, that probably doesn't matter to them, since for most genuine artists the money is not the primary concern. |
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 10:47 | ||
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 11:31 | ||
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 12:27 | ||
Well, I would get rid of the notion that online illegal downloads can be stopped. They're always gonna be there,no matter how many grandmas get fined millions of dollars. The point was, those middle-man distribution channels have got to go. I do think the illegal downloading would be helped if there was a direct means to access the artist and pay them more directly (and not Spotify,iTunes,etc) and receive the content immediately, without spyware. This would especially be nice in cases were albums are rare/out of print, etc. Piracy is here to stay. But it doesn't have to mean the end of music as we know it. Just like pirates on the actual seas never stopped international commerce from continuing back in the day.
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 12:37 | ||
But going back and addressing the original topic, I don't think Steven Wilson is out of line asking people to buy his stuff.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 13:14 | ||
I agree that illegal downloads cannot be stopped, though the high-seas analogy is woefully inappropriate/inapplicable and more than a little missleading, international commerce would have failed pretty quickly if there were millions of pirates (ie anyone who owned a boat) rather than just a few. Illegal downloading will hurt all the legal downloading routes, that is as inevitable as leaked ablums appearing on the internet.
Perhaps I'm not as jaded about record labels and distrubutors as you are, but I don't see why they have to go.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: March 08 2013 at 21:14 | ||
^^^^ I can't order 90% of the new stuff that's listed on PA...or I could, but it might be very expensive. I would have to use credit card rather than netbanking or COD and pay the equivalent of the album price as shipping. These are the economies we lose as music drifts further from the music industry. Albums that have done good business for the industry are very easily available, whether in the remaining brick-and-mortar stores or in ecommerce portals and I don't have to pay shipping when the portal is based in my country. And many of these albums that did good business are prog classics, like DSOTM, TAAB, Moving Pictures and so on so I don't get the disdain for the industry's role in making music available. Yes, they may have fleeced several artists back in the day but did they really stand in the way of getting music out to the fan? I don't think so, unless you're talking about bootlegs. It's all very fine and dandy and idealistic to bash the industry but it's worth bearing in mind that an artist needs to survive and make a living and the industry offered/offers a means of livelihood to them, that's slowly fading away.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 00:26 | ||
Yeah, I'm in Melbourne too, and most JB Hi Fi outlets have a good selection of Porcupine Tree, and Wilson's solo albums. And the ones I can't get there, I buy online. So it's no problem accessing his music. As for the Raven, I avoided the leaks, and waited til my ordered copy arrived in the mail.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 12 2011 Location: Melb, Australia Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
Posted: March 09 2013 at 00:48 | ||
Hey Kashmir! Have you noticed if the JB's only have the standard CD edition of the new Wilson, or some of the other fancier versions too? I know they usually do get those ones, but I just haven't gone into a store yet to check!
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Kashmir75
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 00:53 | ||
I'm not sure. I haven't checked. I bought TRTRTS online. I don't think JB would have the deluxe version, or the blu ray version, just the standard one.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 01:05 | ||
I know they got the deluxe/enhanced packaging versions of `Grace' and `Insurgentes', that's why I just assumed they'd get it for `Raven'! Sigh, I'll just have to go into a store and check for myself! I did check online, and they've only got the standard one listed...
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ProgressiveMike
Forum Groupie Joined: December 21 2012 Location: ColoradoSprings Status: Offline Points: 44 |
Posted: March 10 2013 at 17:43 | ||
GO BUY THE ALBUM! I have listened to it and will buy it the next time I get paid. It's wonderful. Delightful, even. Alan Parsons and Steven Wilson have delivered PROG GOLD again. I was really sketched to actually spin it because I was afraid it would be really heavy, and I don't appreciate heavy music as much as I should. But it's great. Not what I would consider "heavy" certainly moody, but at the same time very pleasant. Voyage 34 is a moody single that is unpleasant, but still fun to listen to in case you guys need some reference point. I didn't know that it was leaked. I also did not expect ANYONE who pirates music would be interested in a Steven Wilson album, but then again, what do I know?
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LakeGlade12
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 29 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 179 |
Posted: September 30 2013 at 07:14 | ||
According to SW in more recent interviews, The Raven has been his best selling record (I'm not sure if he is just talking about his solo stuff or if that includes PT), so at least there is a happy ending to this story
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Rottenhat
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 14 2006 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 436 |
Posted: October 02 2013 at 10:28 | ||
Well, who wouldn't be pissed for not being paid for their work?
I did get The Raven, the Blu-Ray edition. It sucks that I haven't barely played it at all even if I paid for it. The music overload I have from being a Spotify and Rdio subscriber with access to zillions of recordings has somehow made me a bit indifferent to the worth of music. It is like what is the worth of a Diamond if you are swimming in a pool of gold coins.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: October 02 2013 at 23:32 | ||
I feel this exactly. I used to buy music a lot. Maybe 2 or 3 albums a week when I was 16 and had no other expenses. Then 2 a month when I was in college. Then I was downloading a lot because hey I can afford to give back some to my favorite artists but not for stuff I'm only tangentially interested in. Then Spotify hit. I literally cannot remember the last time I bought a new record. At least 4 months ago, but even then it was probably vinyl. Dream Theater put their new album on Spotify the day of or the next day after it's release. And they make pennies for a listen from Spotify. So even if it's one of my favorite bands and they don't put it on Spotify, I'm probably not going to buy it. I probably won't even try to download it. I just don't care enough. There's so much music out there and I have a tight budget, so if I can justify not buying a record with listening to something else, I will. Not downloading, mind you, just listening to the other free options. Hard to say if my experience is indicative of a wider trend for my demographic. Probably with a lot of casual music fans, but I suspect diehard record collectors and prog fans might do otherwise. The trade off is just to appealing for streaming services now. |
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