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deafmoon
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 462 |
Posted: April 06 2013 at 13:12 |
Go to any Barnes and Noble Bookstore and they carry it.
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Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:27 |
The magazine's been running now for four years - maybe a year from now they'll publish their own book of highlights as a fifth anniversary thing. Then we can have it without the adverts, without the interview-to-promote-latest-tour, just put all the best stuff together, maybe 500 pages will do?
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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AtomicCrimsonRush
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
Posted: April 02 2013 at 08:32 |
New mag jacket looks nice
also inside cover |
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Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:54 |
My band was once on another mag's CD, it cost us about £320. I think it was worth it for being on sale in train stations all over the UK, and selling 20,000 copies in a month. (works out around 2p per copy)
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 05 2013 at 03:10 |
(Not wanting to defend Future publishing too much, but not just to be contrary either): The purpose of a cover-mount is to sell the magazine, it's a freebie enticement to the punters, the benefit to the bands on the CD is secondary. A CD of unsigned bands is not going to fulfil that purpose, only a limited number of people are going to be enticed into buying the magazine for a CD of unsigned unknown bands, therefore the fee is understandable - a 100% mark-up on that is more difficult to explain but Future publishing is a business not a public service.
One thing I wasn't aware of until I saw a recording contract (in this case from a PHD imprint label) is that the band was expected to donate tracks for compilation albums royalty free as that is considered to be part of the promotion costs of the album.
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Ajay
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 01 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:57 |
That's great, Dean.
Back on topic: so the unsigned bands are paying for the production of the CD, and the magazine is pocketing at least the same amount. |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:45 |
So for the kind of money you are talking about (betwen £500 and £800) you can get a track on a cover-mount CD or a (say) full-page adertisement in the same magazine that has a circulation of 10-20,000. Or you can have 1,000 of your own (glass-pressed) CDs manufactured in jewel case with an 8-page full-colour artwork. Of course it makes sense to have something to promote if you are going to pay to promote and since this particular cover-mount is concerning unsigned bands then the band will be paying for that too.
As Sonia said, a signed band paid nothing to have a track on the cover-mount, yet unsigned bands pay to be included - as I recall Metal Hammer has a similar policy, as do many gig promoters (headline act gets a guarantee, signed support gets a percentage, unsigned support pays to play).
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Ajay
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 01 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:15 |
Thanks, Kati.
€350 is about £300. |
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Kati
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 19:24 |
I don't know much about this topic in terms of costs to be published in prog rock magazine, I do however have forefront experience with a band that paid nothing to have one song included in the various artists cd and should they want half page promoting them on a page inside the mag, it would cost them 350Euros. I am not aware of other rates charged/mentioned above. My knowleadge of the costs is limited thus I cannot corfirm nor deny.
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Dean
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:33 |
^ I would imagine their disc inclusion fees would be set by advertising rates rather than CD production rates so that the £800 is possibly comparable to the cost of running an advertisment in the same mag.
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Ajay
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 01 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:07 |
Speaking to the point of how much of Prog's expenses are paid for by bands...
In January, I read about Prog's proposed unsigned bands CD and noted "that a fee is involved for inclusion on the CD." So I emailed sales exec Laura Richardson for more information. The details which came back to me from senior sales exec Katie Taylor included the cost: £800 + VAT per track for 8mins max. (To Americans and Australians, £800 is about $1200, and standard VAT is 20%.) I was gobsmacked. I know the claimed circulation for Prog magazine, and I know the unit cost to produce a CD in a cardboard jacket from existing audio tracks on that scale. By my calculations, even if I assumed that none of the cover price of the magazine would go towards the cost of the CD, it appeared to me that not even half the money which Prog was asking from unsigned bands would be needed to produce the CD. I may not have been the only one who noticed this, because a little over a week later, I received a further email from Laura Richardson which offered a discounted price of £500 + VAT. (8min max track length). |
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Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:10 |
Did anyone buy that last issue?
Also, what day is the next issue due out? It must be sometime this month, I think.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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carlmarx38
Forum Groupie Joined: February 01 2010 Status: Offline Points: 60 |
Posted: January 29 2013 at 16:51 |
I agree with the comments about it being UK focused and content seems influenced by some key "sponsors", however I kinda feel this is to be expected to a large extent. Yeah, I've been wondering about that too....Ian Anderson got to be the "guest editor" awhile back....(as well as Jethro Tull being on the cover at least 3 times...and Wakeman obviously has got some kind of "push" in order to get a whole issue and "Fanpack" dedicated to his latest version of JTTCOTE......the big question is, how much of PROG's expenses are "paid for" by these bands. Do you think bands "Buy space" in the mag, just like an advertisers paying for Ad space ? There's a band called "Syzygy" who ran serveral ads a year or so back...."ads" which looked remarkably like "feature articles" (with 'fine print' indicating that "this is an Advertisement")..... ..Am I totally off base here, or has the the line between "advertisement" and "article" gotten kind of blurred in this magazine ? If so, than why am I shelling out $16 a month for something that is half advertising ?.......I mean did the bulk of "critics" for this magazine REALLY think ASIA-OMEGA was one of the 10 best "prog" releases of the year, or did the Record Company pay for that "Plug" ? Prog is hardly widely known thesedays so it needs to appeal to a particular type of audience and reflect demographics etc.
As a UK based product, it is not wrong in my opinion to include predominanalty home grown bands ( many of which will be playing live around the country )
That is not too say it should cram this down our throats in every edition
Yes, they should open it up to reflect more non-UK prog but I guess it will always cater more for its home market ( as would probably be the case in other countries did their own version ? )
Overall I would rather a slightly biased offer than no offer at all !!!
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 29 2013 at 16:25 |
I've decided not to get this issue, making it the second that I've missed (the first was a couple of years ago)
Does anyone have anything good to say about it? Or should we all hold our breaths for the 40th anniversary of Dark Side Of The Moon?
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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elbownut
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 09 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 146 |
Posted: January 24 2013 at 12:16 |
I have bought a few copies if there is something I am particulalry interested in It is still quite expensive as magazines go but i guess the circulation will not be huge, so the price has to make it worthwhile to produce.
I agree with the comments about it being UK focused and content seems influenced by some key "sponsors", however I kinda feel this is to be expected to a large extent.
Prog is hardly widely known thesedays so it needs to appeal to a particular type of audience and reflect demographics etc.
As a UK based product, it is not wrong in my opinion to include predominanalty home grown bands ( many of which will be playing live around the country )
That is not too say it should cram this down our throats in every edition
Yes, they should open it up to reflect more non-UK prog but I guess it will always cater more for its home market ( as would probably be the case in other countries did their own version ? )
Overall I would rather a slightly biased offer than no offer at all !!!
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"Music was my first love and it will be my last" - John Miles "Music"
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 09:09 |
I think they could do better by dropping the CD, dropping the cover price, dropping the "40 years since blah-blah-blah" articles, and expanding the international coverage. I think no band should be featured more than once in any year, apart from reviews when they release something or play a gig. And they should do more than just cover this-or-that artist. What about articles on this-or-that instrument or this-or-that subgenre or this-or-that country (they used to have a short feature on different countries but it was only two pages long, and always European countries)
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 17:55 |
^^^ I also reviewed most o the PROG sampler CDs and have to review the rest later. They are great for throwing in the car and just driving along not knowing whats coming next. I reckon the mag could do with a real revamp and look at bands that have not been covered -anyway it is certainly one of the best music mags out there. Just expensive and a bit hit and miss unfortunately.
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carlmarx38
Forum Groupie Joined: February 01 2010 Status: Offline Points: 60 |
Posted: January 23 2013 at 16:42 |
When I saw Cressida as an album that built prog I was puzzled as i thought I knew all the quintessential nbands. Then I read your comments and it made sense as just another plug for a tour. If you're able to find it, though the CRESSIDA debut album is really good......(reminds me a lot of CAMEL) I noticed a lot of bands in the mag are simply bands that are touring the UK at the time and especially the songs on the CD are from the same lable or UK labels that the mag sponsors. Yeah.....like K-SCOPE for instance.....check out last year's CRITIC'S POLL issue and check out how many of the Critic's Picks albums were from K-SCOPE (Porcupine Tree, Pineapple Thief, North Atlantic Oscillation, Anathema, among others !!!) Oh and BTW, I don't know about this year's Critic's Picks but last year what's up with ASIA-OMEGA in the TOP 10 "best Prog albums of the year ?) (AND I'M AN ASIA FAN) i am sick of seeing Steve Wilsons mug on this along with those Goth bands like that demonic one "DEVIL'S BLOOD" !!! (I actually think Jerry Ewing is a "reformed Satanist" !) and of course the articles on Genesis are usually either Hackett or Gabriel spouting off about the glory days. Well I;m a big Hackett fan, and grateful for coverage of his solo stuff (although he's putting out so many albums lately I can't keep up !!......I'm still working on "To Watch the Storms" and "Wild Orchids " !) Bands are getting exposure but PROG misses out the German scene, the Italian scene, and Australia apart from the very odd and occasional article but it is never much; They did run a short thing on the Italian Scene WAY back in issue 6 or something.....but they hardly even mentioned BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO, among others Okay thats the bad now the good The CDs have introduced me to some incredible bands such as Diagonal and Motorpsycho among others. Agreed......I was a total neophyte, PROG magazine introduced me to CAMEL, CARAVAN, GONG, MAGMA ..... even CAMEL !!! (I'm in the US BTW...none of these Classic bands were popular here) I like Wakemans articles, Never read them myself........BUT I DID BUY THE SPECIAL MAG-PAK OF THE NEW "JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH" (WHICH I HAVE YET TO LISTEN TO !!) I've saved all the PROGNOSIS CD'S .........I have 26.....going back to #3 (used to have #2 which was the first issue I bought...but lost it !!! |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: January 22 2013 at 20:32 |
yeah I hear you. I have not missed an issue and cancelled the subscription yesterday after buying one last issue with Foxtrot all over the cover. This was a big decision for me as I have loved the mag since its conception and I have put up with a lot of cruddy issues among the gems. I have enjoyed the reviews especially and the articles on bands I had not been initially interested in. When I saw Cressida as an album that built prog I was puzzled as i thought I knew all the quintessential nbands. Then I read your comments and it made sense as just another plug for a tour. I noticed a lot of bands in the mag are simply bands that are touring the UK at the time and especially the songs on the CD are from the same lable or UK labels that the mag sponsors. So therefore it is not really a PROG mag that covers the genre but more a mag that covrs the bands that are touring or need more exposure. It works as a mag that compliments and exposes bands that want that so its not a bad thing, its just that i am sick of seeing Steve Wilsons mug on this along with those Goth bands like that demonic one where the band members cover themselves in blood, and of course the articles on Genesis are usually either Hackett or Gabriel spouting off about the glory days. The top 50 albums chosen were a bit of a joke, when you compare them to what the prog community are generally listening to. The covers are always displaying popular prog rather than the widespread prog. After the Genesis article there is immediately an ad for their box set, and these plugs occur often, an article designed to sell us the latest CD package. Bands are getting exposure but PROG misses out the German scene, the Italian scene, and Australia apart from the very odd and occasional article but it is never much; it is all UK focussed. Take the token article of RPI in one of the earlier mags that was jammed in, along with a Krautrock article, and I remember seeing a few reviews of Riverside but nothing special again. Jethro Tull is often in it as are Rush, Yes and Genesis, popular prog, but they forget many of the legends of Prog and instead we get another article on modern prog like Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Marillion or Coheed and Cambria. They also put in albums from And You Will Know Them by the Trail of Dead... - I bought one Cd they hailed as a masterpiece and had to take it back it to the shop I was so disheartened. To appease the shop owner I had to buy 2 other CDs cos he wouldnt give my money back. That was the first time I began to question the editors taste in what was PROG. There is a lot in the mag that is not Prog at all! Okay thats the bad now the good The CDs have introduced me to some incredible bands such as Diagonal and Motorpsycho among others. Ihave enjoyed getting each issue and pouring thru its pages and reading about whats happening in the UK scene. I liked the album artwork sections that are now no longer in it. I like Wakemans articles, I like the letters section tho none of mine were published. I liked the cover art, always innovative. The booklets on Prog Rock and Prog Rock 2 CDs were interesting. There are some great articles ocasionally worth looking at, and the interviews are fresh and informative most of the time. The pictures chosen are usually unique and I always love reading about classic albums and how the editors feel about the reissues. Even the ads hold interest as I can see easily whats the latest out there at the moment. I will miss it but of course if an issue stands out I will still get that, just not every issue from now on.
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carlmarx38
Forum Groupie Joined: February 01 2010 Status: Offline Points: 60 |
Posted: January 22 2013 at 17:28 |
Yeah no sh*t........had to reply to this since you mentioned RIVERSIDE......I may be wrong, but to my knowledge (and I've only missed about 4 issues), PROG has NEVER done a single article on Riverside. I mean PROG magazine, as you and I both know, runs A LOT of articles on bands, even though they are often only 3-page or even 2-page articles.....and despite ZERO articles on Riverside, they have run no less than TWO articles of on LUNATIC SOUL (spinoff band of lead singer Mariusz D.) . I'm sorry but the mag just is NOT representative of the PROG scene as a whole......What it is, to my eyes, is basically a "local London/UK Rag", that focuses MOSTLY on local bands that are playing gigs in and around the London area.....Just look at the number of articles they have run on "Local" London/UK prog bands... TOUCHSTONE, REASONING, MOSTLY AUTUMN, MAGENTA,, AEON ZEN, ETC. (the list goes on and on, because there are a LOT of UK bands playing gigs in/around London). ...THEN...... what they do to get a larger audience, is run a LOT of articles on YES, GENESIS, ELP, JETHRO TULL, RUSH, DREAM THEATER, etc.......... Case in point : In a recent issue, in the feature entitled "THE ALBUMS THAT BUILT PROG", (which is one of the features that kept me interested just to see what albums they would pick).......they ran a ful FOUR-PAGE article on a band called "CRESSIDA", who.......I mean just how many of you have even heard of this band (NOT to dis them however, becaiuse I lucked out and found their debut on vinyl from a local dealer, and it's actually a great band....but COME ON,a band that "BUILT PROG"??)......then I did a little research, and figured it out.... The newly "reformed CRESSIDA" had played a "showcase gig" in......WHERE ? of course right in a nice club in the London area !) I'll quit here.....but here's a question for those of you who haven't missed an issue......"Italian Prog" ? "Pain of Salvation" ? (only one article to my knowledge, and a pitiful 3-pAGE RUN).... "Ayreon" ? (excluding one tiny article that focused only on Arjen's last STAR ONE album) "Maudlin of the Well" ? (ZILCH) "Phideaux" ? (ZILCH) Amemrican Prog Festivals ? (They're complete ignorance of last year's LAST-EVER Near-Fest, for INSTANCE)
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