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Kati
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 15:01 |
NotAProghead wrote:
Kati wrote:
I do think that people who download music from pirate sites for free will never buy music anyway, the only thing one can hope from this unfortunate fact is that they will help "spread the word" how great an album or song is to others. |
Excellent point!
I see this here and there. More and more people now have no idea how it's possible to pay for music (and why they should pay) if they can get it for free. Though still there is another, smaller category of people who download music illegally and after that buy legal copies of the albums they like. |
Thank you very much, NotAProghead What is considered as Piracy is a fine line, some might want to help the artist meanwhile having the opposite effect, I feel that each case or group should be judged individually. As an example fans who bought the original album and they loved it might feel an urge or need to spread their emotions and wanting to share a link via youtube hoping others will feel the same about the artist (with best intentions) they will google search a song and most times will pick the one which has the most viewers or likes to share, most of those are not official links to the artists yet they did share it with the utmost best intentions, trying to make others realize how wonderful the artist is and sounds, one could think of it as free publicity. There's no doubt that the internet can make (or bankrupt) an artist.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 14:37 |
Kati wrote:
I do think that people who download music from pirate sites for free will never buy music anyway, the only thing one can hope from this unfortunate fact is that they will help "spread the word" how great an album or song is to others. |
Excellent point!
I see this here and there. More and more people now have no idea how it's possible to pay for music (and why they should pay) if they can get it for free. Though still there is another, smaller category of people who download music illegally and after that buy legal copies of the albums they like.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Kati
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 12:57 |
This is only my opinion, anti-piracy campaigns are necessary, this kind awareness helps people to relate with the artist. However, I do think that people who download music from pirate sites for free will never buy music anyway, the only thing one can hope from this unfortunate fact is that they will help "spread the word" how great an album or song is to others. In general people who appreciate the highest sound quality and the effort an artist puts in his work will continue to purchase only original albums.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 10:23 |
Seems like the sarcasm was lost on you. I am saying Wilson wouldn't have bargained for remarks on "how f***ing rich he is" for merely asking people to try to buy the album, something he is perfectly entitled to, even if he really was f***ing rich.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 10:00 |
rogerthat wrote:
Little did Wilson know what he was thinking when he politely asked people to try to buy the album, eh?
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What's wrong with that? Has it not been for the post, this thread wouldn't be; has it not been for this thread, some people would probably not have "a second shot of re-awakening".
Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 28 2013 at 10:01
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 09:10 |
^I know
Gotta say, I simply love the feeling of sitting with something tangible like a vinyl record - looking at the beautiful cover art(I am sitting right now and admiring Amon Düül ll's Tanz der Lemminge), or reading lyrics, musical philosophies(Santana had a few of those with Lotus and Moonflower, back when he had himself a Guru ) or just want to pay one's respect to the musicians who made it possible for you to reach cloud 9 - if you want that, then you gotta go buy sonic circular objects.
For some reason I can't spell or explain myself properly in English at the moment. Too much Danish flavour....
Edited by Guldbamsen - February 28 2013 at 09:31
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 09:02 |
Little did Wilson know what he was thinking when he politely asked people to try to buy the album, eh?
Edited by rogerthat - February 28 2013 at 09:03
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 09:00 |
Psy, and he is expected to have earned over $8 million in 2012 alone.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 09:00 |
Gangbang style
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Argonaught
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 08:58 |
What's the net worth of the gentleman from the "Gangnam Oppan something-style"?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 08:57 |
This thread took a familiar turn that we all knew had to happen, but this new one about the definition of wealth among prog musicians, I did not see coming.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 08:54 |
Besides, he's just very popular in prog circles, which is a smaller community to begin with. He's not nearly as popular or commercially successful as Norah Jones, Adele, Bruno Mars, Muse, etc etc.
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fusaka
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 08:48 |
Popular doesn't always equal rich. From interviews he gave for the release of this album, he's losing money on the tours. He finances it with his other projects.
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johnobvious
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 08:40 |
Well I just checked celebritynetworth.com and our friend SW was not listed. Must not have enough money to make the grade.
David Gilmour is listed as $130 million net worth. Waters is $145 million. Nick Mason: $75 Million.
Mick Jagger: $305 Million
Paul McCartney: $800 Million
Carly Rae Jepsen is at $1 Million. Anybody want to guess is SW is above her? I would say "no." And if he isn't, I don't begrudge him a bit for his facebook post because their ain't no justice in the world.
Edited by johnobvious - February 28 2013 at 08:42
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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Ady Cardiac
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 04:07 |
you'd have to ask him mate......i dont even know how to download music or anything......let alone know where to go to download stuff illiegally.......i'll just stick to CD's/Vinyl.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 04:05 |
But if you don't store it on C:, you should ideally recover any data lost if the computer corrupts. Further, a computer rarely fails on the user if it is well looked after and a virus check is run regularly, IF you do not download from illegal filesharing websites or visit porn websites, etc etc.
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Ady Cardiac
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 03:50 |
soon be a different kettle of fish if all these people downloading illegally were caught and busted for it......opinions would change then for sure.......but i cant see that changing......call me boring but i still buy CD's/Vinyl......always will and no one will change that for me........as long as its looked after right then no probs.......i had a friend who had his computer corrupted and even though he had all this security on his PC he lost everything.....legal and illegal......i thought it was quite funny as everyone relies on these computers these days.....but if they go wrong........tough....i think i'll just stick to what i know cheers.
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tamijo
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 03:25 |
Ady Cardiac wrote:
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
I don't know if I speak for a lot of prog fans (I'd like to think I do here), but I absolutely want a physical copy of this album - be it the CD version, the LP version, a DVD Audio version, etc. Actually - make that ANY album period.
I've been buying LP's and CD's my whole life, and I'm not interested in hoarding a bunch of data on a computer.
Besides, I think especially progressive rock fans appreciate elaborate artwork, intricate cover artwork, packaging, CD booklets, LP gatefold sleeves, etc. I love scanning over the lyrics, inner sleeves, etc, maybe even displaying a special album on a wall.
Hope plenty of others feel the same way! |
despite pages and pages rattling on about this......this sums it up for me nicely....and it was the second post...... |
Personaly i have no use for a hardcopy of my music, i put it into the PC anyway. But that does not change the fact that filesharing is illigal. I just wish it was not as hard to get legal downloads, for some obsure reason, many artist do only provide the option to get the CD, and pay for a totaly (for me) unwanted shipment.
Regarding legal downloads :
I cant get it from amazon UK, "due to legal rights this service is not for your region" even if they got it, so basicly i will have to look for providers in Russia (hopefully legal) or sometimes be luckey to get it from Sweeden.
For some obsure reason, it seems like the record compagny/dealers in denmark, are more conservative than in the rest of the world, and keep protecting rights to distribute physical copies only.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Dean
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 03:22 |
rogerthat wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Wonder how this can go on for 6 pages.
Music was copied from day one, especialy the third world was and is floating with illigal tapes, asia with illigal CD's.
99/100 Listners shared music on tapes and later CD's - long before peers to peers was a huge problem.
Its not something new ! Its like drugs, you can fight it, but you can never beat it.
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It goes like this: filesharing coincides with the worst slump in music sales since at least the 60s. Whether there is a complete direct correlation of 1 with that, I don't know. But the aggrieved parties, being the musicians, would naturally mount a campaign against piracy because they are already fighting for a share of a smaller pie.
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There is also the magnitude of each sharing method to consider - trading tapes between friends is a 1:1 relationship - pirated tapes is a 1:many relationship - neither of those had a significant impact. No one knows the raltionship of illegal downloading (because no one can count the actual number of downloads) but since the method of production is infinite and the ease with which anyone can do it means a greater number of people can do it then the potential relationship approaches the infinite. When artists can observe CD sales decline the instant an album is leaked we can assume it is significant, and there are many other observable effects we can detect that indicate that illegal downloading has a greater impact and is far more significant than any other pirating method.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 03:12 |
Absolutely, the recorded album as an experience has been greatly devalued, that is a huge change from back then. Also, rock has 'matured' and 'grown old', so it's, ironically, easier for big older bands to sell albums. Snakes & Arrows apparently sold over 6,00,000 copies in all. They may not be amazing numbers for Rush, but they are very substantial numbers for a progressive rock band in these times. Old bands were supposed to fade away and ring in the new; instead they keep rolling on and compete, especially on tour. Muse is one of the few new bands that have built on initial successes to become a big band, with their latest selling 1.4 million copies.
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