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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2013 at 05:56
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Honestly there's one thing as living in Africa while having to put up with other people's music, Rush is prog yes however I can't understand the number of people who voted Rush instead of the Beatles above Stern Smile this to me makes no sense seriously! Stern Smile No!!!

You probably didn't read the poll question well and hence couldn't understand.  They simply voted for the band they prefer.  One doesn't HAVE to prefer the more important band only. I take LZ to be a far more significant band than Alice in Chains but I certainly prefer the latter, eight days a week.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 20:01
Love both Bands, But I'm going with Rush. The Beatles are cool but they never put out an epic like "2112".
"A Day in the Life" is one of the best Proto-Progs IMHO though. ( And one of the last major ones.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 02:28
The medley on Abbey Road is kind of like an epic :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 15:20
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

The medley on Abbey Road is kind of like an epic :P
Maybe that might be Prog-Related like Maxwell's SIlver Hammer might be. (Just my opinion though)
But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:28
^ I'm not very good with abbreviations. Could you please decipher it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:30
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I'm not very good with abbreviations. Could you please decipher it?

Which one, the IMHO thingy? = I May Humiliate Others


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:33
^ ... SPLHCB.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:42
IMHO means "In My Honest Opinion".
SPLHCB means "Sergent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:45
^ I know what IMHO means. Argo was just poking fun of me ... r-r-r-r-r-r.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 16:56
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.


really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 17:22
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.


really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
I'm not sure but it if did then it  the "White Album" would be Prog-Related since the Prog Movement had already been started by bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues by that point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 22:05
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.


really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
I'm not sure but it if did then it  the "White Album" would be Prog-Related since the Prog Movement had already been started by bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues by that point.
 
Hi Jonathan Hug
 
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Rush. The Beatles are not a Prog band.
Hi Hacketfan Hug
I have to disagree with you. The beatles were the first in mixed time signatures, i.e. "She said" reaches 8/5. Their influences of psychedelic style inc. indian instrumentation also with sitar, etc, inc. electronica especially in "Tomorrow never Knows" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" was new thus not recorded by any other band at the time. Also "A day in life" is prog unless you can explain to me why it's not.
Even YES were very influenced by the Beatles, i.e. Jon Anderson said that YES were influenced by the beatles especially Sgt. Pepper and Magical Tour albums, that they have been a big influence on their music, especially early yes. YES even recorded a beatles cover called "Every Little thing" on their debut album.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 22:17
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.
really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
I doubt it (as much as I like the album).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 22:23
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.
really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
I doubt it (as much as I like the album).
I agree because I don't think there were any Proto-Prog Bands after  1967 in England or America. To me, Procol Harum Started Prog in England with their Self-Titled Debut.
And in America I think Prog started when The Mothers of Invention released Absolutely Free.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 22:25
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

But IMHO nothing after SPLHCB has anything to do with Proto-Prog.


really? you don't think the White Album had any impact on progressive music?
I'm not sure but it if did then it  the "White Album" would be Prog-Related since the Prog Movement had already been started by bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues by that point.
 
Hi Jonathan Hug
 
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Rush. The Beatles are not a Prog band.
Hi Hacketfan Hug
I have to disagree with you. The beatles were the first in mixed time signatures, i.e. "She said" reaches 8/5. Their influences of psychedelic style inc. indian instrumentation also with sitar, etc, inc. electronica especially in "Tomorrow never Knows" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" was new thus not recorded by any other band at the time. Also "A day in life" is prog unless you can explain to me why it's not.
Even YES were very influenced by the Beatles, i.e. Jon Anderson said that YES were influenced by the beatles especially Sgt. Pepper and Magical Tour albums, that they have been a big influence on their music, especially early yes. YES even recorded a beatles cover called "Every Little thing" on their debut album.




 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 23:39
Maybe we should all just take Paul McCartney’s advice who when ques­tioned about its rel­e­vance has been known to have com­mented, “It’s a great dou­ble album, it sold, it’s the bloody Bea­t­les White Album, shut up!”ApproveHug LOL
The Bea­t­les” or as it’s more com­money known the ‘White Album”, is con­sid­ered by many, includ­ing John Lennon him­self, as the album that saw the Bea­t­les reach their peak as song­writ­ers.
 
This album was very diverse in terms of music genres, it stood the test of time, to date I continue to listen and enjoy the album. It might not be as innovative as Sgt. Pepper or Revolver however Helder Skelter was certainly progressive at the time considering that no band/musician ever had recorded anything even similar. Also some of the track titles are so silly and fun, this is prog too Big smileLOL 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2013 at 00:40
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Honestly there's one thing as living in Africa while having to put up with other people's music, Rush is prog yes however I can't understand the number of people who voted Rush instead of the Beatles above Stern Smile this to me makes no sense seriously! Stern Smile No!!!

You probably didn't read the poll question well and hence couldn't understand.  They simply voted for the band they prefer.  One doesn't HAVE to prefer the more important band only. I take LZ to be a far more significant band than Alice in Chains but I certainly prefer the latter, eight days a week.
 
rogerthat hello you Smile
Good point above and yes I misundertood the question, tastes differ however I still can't understand how one can compare nevermind vote other than Beatles (hihihihi Wink me being ignorant here but speaking in all honesty Tongue)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:14

Pop bands will always get more votes than any progressive rock band, this has been proven many times. Not so much on this site but in general and on other music sites. I am not surprised Beatles have more votes than Rush, but I am more surpised they have not tripled the Rush votes.

I am not a Beatles fan, never have been. All I see when I hear one of their songs is 1000's of screaming teenage girls, but that is not the main reason for my dislike. I don't like their singing or music playing, The Who easily blow the fab four off any stage any day, The Beatles are not known for any chops.
 
You will never find 1000's of teenage girls screaming and pulling their hair out to Rush's Working Man or Limelight.
 
Madonna and Lady Gaga are more prog than the Beatles, but neither are progressive rock, all three are pop music artists. But I do see how easy it is for people to try and include Beatles into one of the many prog subgenres, and that is fine.
 
They are a pop band and will always win these type of polls....Its just a poll by the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:36
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

You will never find 1000's of teenage girls screaming and pulling their hair out to Rush's Working Man or Limelight.

Neither will you find 1000's of teenage girls screaming and pulling their hair out to most of the stuff the Beatles did after '65. The Beatles are a pop band for sure, but they're the number one argument in favor of pop as a legitimate art form. Rush, on the other hand, are the number one argument in favor of keeping science fiction and Greek mythology away from drummers with a vivid imagination. (Just kidding, I like Rush.)

Plus, it's not true that pop artists always win the polls. If you made a poll with Rush against, say, the Hollies, I'm sure Rush would win, and not just on PA. And if the Rolling Stone had a poll with Rush against Lady Gaga, I'm sure Rush would win.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:43
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

You will never find 1000's of teenage girls screaming and pulling their hair out to Rush's Working Man or Limelight.

Neither will you find 1000's of teenage girls screaming and pulling their hair out to most of the stuff the Beatles did after '65. The Beatles are a pop band for sure, but they're the number one argument in favor of pop as a legitimate art form. Rush, on the other hand, are the number one argument in favor of keeping science fiction and Greek mythology away from drummers with a vivid imagination. (Just kidding, I like Rush.)

Plus, it's not true that pop artists always win the polls. If you made a poll with Rush against, say, the Hollies, I'm sure Rush would win, and not just on PA. And if the Rolling Stone had a poll with Rush against Lady Gaga, I'm sure Rush would win.


It goes like this....  Rush are ultra progressive when pitted with say Beatles and accessible, unpretentious and non elitist when pitted with say Magma.  Heads I win, tails you lose.   Tongue   Love the familiar and convenient implication, by the way, that if thousands of teenage girls like something, it's got to be bad. 

By the way, I can hardly think of any Rush composition as progressive as Day in a life (or Rolling Stones' 2000 light years from Home for that matte).   Ambition, in terms of writing sprawling epics, technicality and progressiveness are all entirely different things and existence of one quality doesn't imply the others.
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