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    Posted: February 08 2013 at 20:59
Just wondering, did Tony Banks still have his Hammond T102 organ on Duke ??  I'd swear I can hear it (esp. on Dukes' Travels') but I thought he mothballed it after ATTWT ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2013 at 22:09
Apparently Abacab is the first album where he doesn't use any organs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2013 at 00:54
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Apparently Abacab is the first album where he doesn't use any organs.
Thanks.  I knew this is a trivial question, but I was curious as I've read somewhere that Banks had ditched his Hammond by the time of DUKE but that amazingly swirling tone he had was present.  He got a similar sound on, say, 'It's Gonna Get Better' (probably through his Prophet synth), but I always loved his 'newer' Hammond sound (Afterglow is a good example).  And it annoys me when you read the credits on an album and it just states 'blah' - keyboards.... - again, trivial because 99.9% of folks don't care, but I love to read a detailed list of what equipment was used. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2013 at 02:41
According to this site he still used the Hammond on Duke

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2013 at 03:58
That's an informative list - many thanks.  Looks sweet to me.  I just love that Hammond sound of his - Duke is such a perfect 'transition' album from them - I've had my LP since 1987, still neat and shmicko, I've always liked it but all of a sudden it has totally blown me out.  Abacab, not as exciting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 01:27
80% of Duke is brilliant but those soft ballads were beginning to creep more into the mix. I do like Misunderstanding though which is my favourite Genesis pop song (That's All a close second)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:27
I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part.

But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner". Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:32
Harbouring, have you seen doco on Phil's `Face Value' solo album (at least I think this is where I saw it) where he's performing `Please Don't Ask' alone at the piano in the studio, and he breaks down half way??   

Pretty moving stuff, and I always think of that when I hear that track. Anyone who's gone through a pretty horrible split (let me just raise my hand right now! ) can relate pretty well to that lyric, in my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:46
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part.

But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner". Wink
Hey there !!  No, you can't take that title - Man on The Corner is a very pretty song - it really kicks in with that part "you, and me, we're just like all the rest...." - a bit Collins-solo styling but a very decent track.  Dodo has a fair bit of Prog-appeal to it.  Still, DUKE is the better album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:51
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Harbouring, have you seen doco on Phil's `Face Value' solo album (at least I think this is where I saw it) where he's performing `Please Don't Ask' alone at the piano in the studio, and he breaks down half way??   

Pretty moving stuff, and I always think of that when I hear that track. Anyone who's gone through a pretty horrible split (let me just raise my hand right now! ) can relate pretty well to that lyric, in my opinion.
Hey buddy !!  You know, I always think of that doco with Phil breaking down whenever I hear that song - it is a very moving piece which is very potent too. 
Heathaze is a fantastic track with very tasteful bass from Mike.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 03:20
Tom, I was thinking of you when I mentioned that bit about the doco lol!

`Heathhaze' has very evocative lyrics and quite a somber melody, it's a wonderful track on a terrific album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:00
I do think "Heathaze" is great, but Tony deserves a smack on the end back of his head for ending the first line of the chorus with the word "whereas". Wink It sounds really clumsy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:08
Great, Harbouring, never noticed that before, but I'll notice it everytime now!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:22
You're welcome. I take great pleasure in ruining songs for other people. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 07:59
Some great highs on Duke, and some lows too. I find Misunderstanding to be bland to the point of pointlessness. Alone Tonight has some nice monets but it's basically a pretty unremarkable effort. Please Don't ask is a nicely crafted song, but it's just not really what I want to hear on a Genesis album. Phil should have probably saved it for a solo album, especially as it was such a personal lyric.

But overall I think Duke was their last great album as a prog rock band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 14:49
Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:03
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ??

I'm glad you asked the question not  so much because I want to compare the two tracks but i would rather compare the ballads on the respective albums. The ballads on ATTWT (except Follow You Follow Me) seem a lot more powerful and intense. I love Snowbound ,Say Its Allright Joe and Many Too Many (slap meLOL)  but the songs as discussed on Duke just don't cut it for me. I have persevered but they just seem a bit lame but admittedly I can't relate emotionally to the lyrics at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:08
Duke was really the last straightforward "prog" Genesis album.

After Duke, they did make songs that had progressive tendencies, but they never made an actual album that would be considered prog rock.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:37
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part.

But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner". Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:09
Collins' first solo album, 'Face Value' is a killer.  Most tracks are crafted to perfection IMHO.
I'm just really hung-up on DUKE at hte moment, like I never was before.  I have always enjoyed it, but it has taken me a quarter of a century to really really appreciate it. 
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