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LittleMilton
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Posted: February 07 2013 at 23:43 |
I can dig what DiamondDog and others are sayin' there is absolutely no denying that TYA and Fragile are magical works of art, not a weak moment between the two imo but tales is a different animal, and I'm not surprised to hear some hesitation surrounding it I guess it all depends upon your frame of reference : )
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LittleMilton
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Posted: February 07 2013 at 23:46 |
alternate view, surely surely : )
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DiamondDog
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 02:36 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
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I always liked Yes up till this point, but no, nothing since then has been on the same level, mainly due to a loss of sense I guess. That doesn't detract from the very fine legacy of the earlier work. |
Same here (not sure if you're excluding Tales; I am). Once Bruford left, they stopped being as tight as compact as they were and developed a tendency to "noodle around" and overstuff their songs with too many layers. I guess the Fragile/CTTE lineup achieved some kind of bizarre balance in which every instrumentalist tried to assert himself and dominate the mix, in the process taking up each other's room and canceling out each other's excesses. Alan White is a great drummer, but on top of having a looser style in general, there was also no way he could assume Bruford's status in the group's "power struggle" so soon after joining. This allowed the other three guys to fill up all the space that had been previously taken up by Bruford with their own stuff, and I think that often made for kind of a sonic mess.
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What an excellent summary.
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 05:12 |
One of the greatest moments in the entire Yes catalog in my opinion is The Ritual. I love that track. Everything about it is phenomenal. From the recollection of themes from earlier tracks (including the Close to the Edge quotation) to the varied textures and passages throughout that build to an outstanding climax... Such a great track from a grotesquely under-appreciated album from the musical world at large.
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Posted: February 09 2013 at 01:06 |
Neo-Romantic wrote:
One of the greatest moments in the entire Yes catalog in my opinion is The Ritual. I love that track. Everything about it is phenomenal. From the recollection of themes from earlier tracks (including the Close to the Edge quotation) to the varied textures and passages throughout that build to an outstanding climax... Such a great track from a grotesquely under-appreciated album from the musical world at large.
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I agree!! This is Steve Howe during "Ritual," 14 August, 1976 (I saw this tour three times, but not this show...my good friend, Curt, took this one! He is, in my opinion, the best concert photographer ever!)
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: February 09 2013 at 01:09 |
cstack3 wrote:
Neo-Romantic wrote:
One of the greatest moments in the entire Yes catalog in my opinion is The Ritual. I love that track. Everything about it is phenomenal. From the recollection of themes from earlier tracks (including the Close to the Edge quotation) to the varied textures and passages throughout that build to an outstanding climax... Such a great track from a grotesquely under-appreciated album from the musical world at large.
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I agree!! This is Steve Howe during "Ritual," 14 August, 1976 (I saw this tour three times, but not this show...my good friend, Curt, took this one! He is, in my opinion, the best concert photographer ever!)
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Steve looks like a beast in that photo
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 09 2013 at 01:09 |
^ Chuck, didn't you say some time ago that it was Steve on the Relayer tour, 1975?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 09 2013 at 01:10
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cstack3
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Posted: February 09 2013 at 01:48 |
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^ Chuck, didn't you say some time ago that it was Steve on the Relayer tour, 1975?
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No, I saw the Relayer shows in Normal, IL (16 Nov 1974) and Chicago (4 July 1975).
This photo was from the "Solo Tour" outdoor show at the Hawthorne Race Course, 14 August, 1976. My friend Curt was at that particular show, but I passed (in retrospect I wish I had gone!).
It is impossible to describe how good the band was in that time period! Their energy level and speed were just unreal.
This photo of Jon was also taken at the Hawhorne venue, same concert. I love this photo, it captures Jon's spirit perfectly. Not sure which song this is however.
Edited by cstack3 - February 09 2013 at 01:50
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 20:54 |
This album makes me happier than any other album Yes released. It never fails to bring a smile to my face.So much diversity in harmony. Loved reading through this thread.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 21:04 |
cstack3 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Chuck, didn't you say some time ago that it was Steve on the Relayer tour, 1975? |
No, I saw the Relayer shows in Normal, IL (16 Nov 1974) and Chicago (4 July 1975).
This photo was from the "Solo Tour" outdoor show at the Hawthorne Race Course, 14 August, 1976. My friend Curt was at that particular show, but I passed (in retrospect I wish I had gone!).
It is impossible to describe how good the band was in that time period! Their energy level and speed were just unreal.
This photo of Jon was also taken at the Hawhorne venue, same concert. I love this photo, it captures Jon's spirit perfectly. Not sure which song this is however.
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Jon looks pretty 'baked' in this photo - yep, in his element
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progbethyname
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 22:18 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
<font ="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif" size="2">This album makes me happier than any other album Yes released. It never fails to bring a smile to my face.<font ="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif" size="2">So much diversity in harmony. Loved reading through this thread. |
Absolutely man. I don't blame you. It's a very special album. The Revealing Science of God is one of my many all time favourite prog rock epics. Truly amazing and love your enthusiasm too. Makes me as well.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 22:19 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Chuck, didn't you say some time ago that it was Steve on the Relayer tour, 1975? |
No, I saw the Relayer shows in Normal, IL (16 Nov 1974) and Chicago (4 July 1975).
This photo was from the "Solo Tour" outdoor show at the Hawthorne Race Course, 14 August, 1976. My friend Curt was at that particular show, but I passed (in retrospect I wish I had gone!).
It is impossible to describe how good the band was in that time period! Their energy level and speed were just unreal.
This photo of Jon was also taken at the Hawhorne venue, same concert. I love this photo, it captures Jon's spirit perfectly. Not sure which song this is however.
| Jon looks pretty 'baked' in this photo - yep, in his element |
Oh man. What a great shot. Vintage J.A....so high....so at peace. He's a prog legend and a gifted artist. :)
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 00:59 |
cstack3 wrote:
Neo-Romantic wrote:
One of the greatest moments in the entire Yes catalog in my opinion is The Ritual. I love that track. Everything about it is phenomenal. From the recollection of themes from earlier tracks (including the Close to the Edge quotation) to the varied textures and passages throughout that build to an outstanding climax... Such a great track from a grotesquely under-appreciated album from the musical world at large.
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I agree!! This is Steve Howe during "Ritual," 14 August, 1976 (I saw this tour three times, but not this show...my good friend, Curt, took this one! He is, in my opinion, the best concert photographer ever!) |
My 1st Yes show was about a month before this at the Cow Palace in SF. Gentle Giant opened and Yes had that incredible Roger Dean designed three headed crab nebula stage set. Moraz did this booming cathedral organ solo for his spotlight moment but Ritual was clearly the high point of the show.
Edited by The.Crimson.King - August 03 2013 at 01:04
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Shutoku
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 01:12 |
Hello, this is my first post here.
"Tales" as I always called it, was my first Yes album. It was in 1977. I had taken up keyboards, and was looking for keyboardists to learn from. I subscribed to Contemporary Keyboard magazine, and kept seeing the names Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, so I picked up "Tales".
I inadvertently put on side 3 first ( for some reason I've always used the "side" number rather than actual titles). Honestly it was the weirdest music I had ever heard, and I did not like it. I called the bass player and drummer in my band and said "You have to listen to this bazaar record I got. The music is completely insane and the singer sounds like mickey mouse" So over to my house they came and I intended to put side 3 on again, but this time inadvertently put on side 1. After a very short time we all agreed it was strange....but in a pretty awesome way! I couldn't stop listening to the album from then on. (it also turned me on to Paramahansa Yogananda, which lead to the beginning my spiritual path...but that's a different topic)
Shortly after I was a hard core Yes fan. Honestly it changed my life, so I will alway love Tales because of this.
I like side 1 the best, I cannot say it is the best Yes album. I am in the CTTE camp for that, but it is in my top 3 Yes albums along with GFTO.
I always related mostly to Rick Wakeman and Jon Anderson, and I do understand Rick's issues with it. I think aside from the album itself, Jon's insistence on performing it all was another thing Rick did not enjoy. However Rick's playing on side 1 is among his best IMHO. That minimoog solo near the end itself was an epic moment in my musical history.
Another thing I always noticed about Tales...it always sounds the same to me, no matter if I play it on a fantastic system, or a crappy one.
And yeah, Jon does look very baked in that photo
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Lewa
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 03:57 |
Hi!
Thanks for sharing your experience. As a younger proggie who wasn't around for the first wave, I really enjoy hearing stories about listening experiences when the albums first came out.
Tales is my favourite Yes album also, I like side 3 best though.
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 07:29 |
I'm afraid to say that this album was confirmation that after some very fine music, the band had completely lost its compass.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 23:12 |
My Tales story started in 1975. I became friends with this Yes fanatic a couple years older who worked at my local hobby shop. I took the Yes plunge and bought CTTE in September, then a couple months later Relayer. My friend would always speak about Tales in such reverential tones I was intrigued...I remember going somewhere in his car and he was playing his Tales 8-track - when I heard the part from side 2 about "Relayer, all the passion spent on one cross", I thought it was so cool that they mentioned the name of their next album in one of the songs. When I discovered it had only 4 songs on a double album I knew I had to hear this incredible achievement. I bought it the following spring and still remember the first time I heard it. It was late at night in my room and I replaced the normal light with a dim 25 watt blue bulb. Dropped the needle and..."Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources..." One of my fondest early prog memories. My favourite sides are 1, 3, 2, & 4 and it remains my 2nd fave Yes album behind Relayer.
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 23:37 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
My Tales story started in 1975. I became friends with this Yes fanatic a couple years older who worked at my local hobby shop. I took the Yes plunge and bought CTTE in September, then a couple months later Relayer. My friend would always speak about Tales in such reverential tones I was intrigued...I remember going somewhere in his car and he was playing his Tales 8-track - when I heard the part from side 2 about "Relayer, all the passion spent on one cross", I thought it was so cool that they mentioned the name of their next album in one of the songs. When I discovered it had only 4 songs on a double album I knew I had to hear this incredible achievement. I bought it the following spring and still remember the first time I heard it. It was late at night in my room and I replaced the normal light with a dim 25 watt blue bulb. Dropped the needle and..."Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources..." One of my fondest early prog memories. My favourite sides are 1, 3, 2, & 4 and it remains my 2nd fave Yes album behind Relayer. |
Any prog Story that contains an A-Track player I perk up immediately. Also, love your light show atmosphere for your first spin of Relayer. Now that ambience baby!!
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Posted: August 03 2013 at 23:39 |
progbethyname wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
My Tales story started in 1975. I became friends with this Yes fanatic a couple years older who worked at my local hobby shop. I took the Yes plunge and bought CTTE in September, then a couple months later Relayer. My friend would always speak about Tales in such reverential tones I was intrigued...I remember going somewhere in his car and he was playing his Tales 8-track - when I heard the part from side 2 about "Relayer, all the passion spent on one cross", I thought it was so cool that they mentioned the name of their next album in one of the songs. When I discovered it had only 4 songs on a double album I knew I had to hear this incredible achievement. I bought it the following spring and still remember the first time I heard it. It was late at night in my room and I replaced the normal light with a dim 25 watt blue bulb. Dropped the needle and..."Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources..." One of my fondest early prog memories. My favourite sides are 1, 3, 2, & 4 and it remains my 2nd fave Yes album behind Relayer. |
Any prog Story that contains an A-Track player I perk up immediately. Also, love your light show atmosphere for your first spin of Relayer. Now that ambience baby!! |
Woops. Meant Tales. Lol
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Posted: August 04 2013 at 00:18 |
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