Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > General discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Political discussion thread
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedPolitical discussion thread

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 292293294295296 303>
Author
Message
dtguitarfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 24 2011
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Status: Offline
Points: 1708
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 05:53
Some people seem to be trying to make sure only ONE perspective of politics is being talked about around here.  Wink

On this forum I have mentioned a number of times some things that I felt were unbalanced - I have signed out Republicans, and in return people have said to me "well, plenty of Dems do that too."  But what if it weren't so balanced?  What if it could be scientifically proven that it is not balanced?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/conspiracy-theory-partisan-bias

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 08:39
It sure does seem that way doesn't it, Geoff?  I will henceforth refer to them as the "Borg".  They desire to either assimilate you into their collective or blow up your ship/planet. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:15
So Geoff, you were once a republican. Did you change your brain in order to become democrat? Interesting. I guess the surgery must have been quite expensive. 

And those people who aren't Rs or Ds? Do they have orangutan brains? Basically everyone outside of the US is some sort of strange animal it seems. 

And people like I that favor many postulates of libertarianism but am willing to accept ideas from the "other side" like health care for all? Is my brain slowly becoming like jello or something? 

Stupid pseudo science. "Peer reviewed" doesn't mean is the ultimate word of science or anything else by the way. For university I have read hundreds of peer reviewed articles in scientific journals and many are rubbish. 
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:22

^the article said that a person's political persuasion can change their neurological traits.  So it's not just a one way thing, where the brain chemistry affects politics, your politics can also affect your brain chemistry.  And some people just become nicer and cooler Teo.  Tongue

 
I'm not sure how much stock I put in that study though really.  I think there would have to be a lot more research done into that, if it is even worth researching.
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:35
^Really Doc, that article is a few paragraphs that say nothing. Reading the actual paper would probably show how pooy done it is, but that would be a waste of time. Real scientific studies are usually not that fun to read .

Back to Top
JJLehto View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:44
ONE perspective of politics eh?
I sure hope you are referring to a certain thread and peopleWink
Its funny, the thread is designated as a libertarian area...so you know what the majority opinion will be, no one makes you go in there and engage in discussion, anyone can make a thread about anything yet the libertarians dominate??
Sorry that your views get challenged and "forced to assimilate" but that's what the thread is designed for!
 
It'd be like someone coming to PA and saying "OH WTF everyone here likes prog, why is it all they talk about? Why is it when I disagree they try to "assimilate" me?" I never knew presenting different views and trying to defend them = trying to destroy yours. How little self confidence you must have!
But thats the problem I've noticed with many regardless of beliefs...freedom of speech for me, oh I dont like what you say f**k you. Here is my view, you have a different one? f**k you why are you trying to pester me? I have a right to my religious views, they are right Im sure of it, you feel the same about yours? f**k you, burn in hell.


Edited by JJLehto - January 25 2013 at 11:48
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:52
Yes. If a thread is called "Libertarian", probably the perspective might be easy to infer. Of course, discussion on the subject is welcome and views are constantly challenged.

PA welcomes Geoff if be wants to create a new "Democrat thread" or "Marxist Leninist thread" or "Fascist thread" or "Republican thread" or whatever else.
Back to Top
JJLehto View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:54

Yeah I've seen things like that study numerous times. It's not new news...I remember back in '04 after Kerry lost...all over xanga there was the chart of states by IQ and how all the blues were in order (on the higher end) thus "proving" lol Republicans are dumb. Never mind the differences in IQ were literally points..like 98, 97, 96.

However you can use "science" to justify your views I guess. I never knew that was the point of science!
What you post is no better than tobacco companies paying "scientists" to "study" findings and prove that smoking is fine! Sad.  Not that I'm a republican anyway, I like gay rights, drugs, and not being imperialist Cool
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:54
Perspective. Funny old word.
What?
Back to Top
JJLehto View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:59
BTW admins, lemme qualify I dont like drugs, just the idea of legalizing them.
But ya know Dean if you want an all male LSD induced orgy, well I'm just throwing it out there!
 
 
 
 
Perspective indeed. I was lucky enough to be around/close to people with very differen mindsets and view poins then me. Which is why I can't take posts like that seriously. Not saying there aren't stupid, closed minded conservatives but I've met way too many very smart, very friendly, middle and lower class Republicans to drink the "they are dumb racist rich" kool aid.


Edited by JJLehto - January 25 2013 at 12:01
Back to Top
dtguitarfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 24 2011
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Status: Offline
Points: 1708
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 11:59
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

So Geoff, you were once a republican. Did you change your brain in order to become democrat?

Nope.  I came to a point in my life where I was so miserable that I left the church.  And when I did that, I realized I had no right to judge anyone.  And when that realization struck me, I started to change.  I eventually hit a place where I had made such a mess of things that I had nowhere to turn to fix it, and ended up going back to church.  And through that strange path of events I eventually (it took a while) realized how grace works: you can't receive it if you aren't willing to extend it.  That's why liberal politics appeal to me more - they extend grace without fear that they will be taken advantage of.  It's like the Doc said: your politics can change the way your brain works.  For me, as my views changed, my attitude changed, and I began to piece together my political views in parallel with my religion and my new philosophy of life.
Back to Top
akamaisondufromage View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: May 16 2009
Location: Blighty
Status: Offline
Points: 6797
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Perspective. Funny old word.
 
Depends which way you look at it.
Help me I'm falling!
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:04
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Perspective. Funny old word.
 
Depends which way you look at it.
 
I don't know about that.  Geek
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:08
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

ONE perspective of politics eh?
I sure hope you are referring to a certain thread and peopleWink
Its funny, the thread is designated as a libertarian area...so you know what the majority opinion will be, no one makes you go in there and engage in discussion, anyone can make a thread about anything yet the libertarians dominate??
Sorry that your views get challenged and "forced to assimilate" but that's what the thread is designed for!
 
It'd be like someone coming to PA and saying "OH WTF everyone here likes prog, why is it all they talk about? Why is it when I disagree they try to "assimilate" me?" I never knew presenting different views and trying to defend them = trying to destroy yours. How little self confidence you must have!
But thats the problem I've noticed with many regardless of beliefs...freedom of speech for me, oh I dont like what you say f**k you. Here is my view, you have a different one? f**k you why are you trying to pester me? I have a right to my religious views, they are right Im sure of it, you feel the same about yours? f**k you, burn in hell.
 
It isn't the attempts to assimilate that are the issue.  I expect no less.  I come there to put my perspective in there, and whether it appears so or not, to listen to the side's perspective.  I expect an attempt at conversion.  It is, errrr, the "vigor" with which some do it.  And the "well if you won't assimilate, then I hate you" thing.  Not that you have ever been that way, at least not that I've seen, Brian.  But if I started a democrat thread, it still wouldn't be nice of me to abuse the non-democrats who post there. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
JJLehto View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:16

Thank you, I do try my best to always be calm, fair and listen to others and disect and explain myself rather than bash (which is my posts are horridly long and rambling). Also I keep in mind that fact people don't always agree with me and thats OK

Just ya know, you do go to a thread knowing what its about...seems a little much to be upset at vigor thats used.  Especially since I know for a fact the overwhelming majority of PA is much more slanted to your views, I like the idea that 5-7 guys are domianting the siteLOL
 
All I care about at this moment...the USPS needs competition. I have to go to the post office day at my current site, and its the slowest, rudest place I've seen. Makes the DMV jokes sound like paradise!
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:20
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

So Geoff, you were once a republican. Did you change your brain in order to become democrat?

Nope.  I came to a point in my life where I was so miserable that I left the church.  And when I did that, I realized I had no right to judge anyone.  And when that realization struck me, I started to change.  I eventually hit a place where I had made such a mess of things that I had nowhere to turn to fix it, and ended up going back to church.  And through that strange path of events I eventually (it took a while) realized how grace works: you can't receive it if you aren't willing to extend it.  That's why liberal politics appeal to me more - they extend grace without fear that they will be taken advantage of.  It's like the Doc said: your politics can change the way your brain works.  For me, as my views changed, my attitude changed, and I began to piece together my political views in parallel with my religion and my new philosophy of life.
Good for you. Your path though doesn't have to be the same as everyone else's. I used to whine all the time and wasn't really terribly productive and complained a lot and expected a lot from government and was angry all the time and criticized everybody... when I was more in your camp, when I was quite more deeply into the "left" really. I have become quite more tolerant and quite a lot more productive and a better person in every way since I stopped holding government as some Messiah and adopted quite more libertarian and in some ways conservative views (I always was a social libertarian but somehow wanted state control of everything else - stupid me). Yes I respect religion much more now and realize I have room for it in my life (at least some spirituality) and I used to have it when I was much much younger and happier than in my "atheist - communist - 'enlightened'- then hardcore democrat" years. My political beliefs will never change in regards to some more "social" ideas like health care in many other ways I have "left the left". 

What worked for you doesn't have to work for everybody else. That's the difference. You want to impose a "formula" on everybody. I just want to let people be. 
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:23
I enjoy political debate.  But I enjoy clean and respectful political debate. 
 
I have had issues with USPS, but I've also had issues with UPS and Fedex, so...I'm not sure competition is necessarily the answer, although I would not rule that out either as a possible solution to the problem.  I also think there might be a trade-off there, where customer service might improve, but without the regulated monopoly, prices could rise.  Then I'll have to pay more for the shipping all those CDs I order.  Cry
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
Ambient Hurricanes View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 25 2011
Location: internet
Status: Offline
Points: 2549
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:25
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I enjoy political debate.  But I enjoy clean and respectful political debate. 
 
I have had issues with USPS, but I've also had issues with UPS and Fedex, so...I'm not sure competition is necessarily the answer, although I would not rule that out either as a possible solution to the problem.  I also think there might be a trade-off there, where customer service might improve, but without the regulated monopoly, prices could rise.  Then I'll have to pay more for the shipping all those CDs I order.  Cry


But with libertarian policies regarding minimal regulation in place, you wouldn't have to worry about the government shutting down music streaming sites! Tongue
I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
Back to Top
JJLehto View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:41
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I enjoy political debate.  But I enjoy clean and respectful political debate. 
 
I have had issues with USPS, but I've also had issues with UPS and Fedex, so...I'm not sure competition is necessarily the answer, although I would not rule that out either as a possible solution to the problem.  I also think there might be a trade-off there, where customer service might improve, but without the regulated monopoly, prices could rise.  Then I'll have to pay more for the shipping all those CDs I order.  Cry


But with libertarian policies regarding minimal regulation in place, you wouldn't have to worry about the government shutting down music streaming sites! Tongue
 
In fact I'm such a music nerd I once wrote a short paper for a college econ class about why file sharing/streaming is OK, and actually a good thing. And that was before I was even libertarianLOL
 
I kid somewhat about USPS, wouldn't be fair to base my horible, horrible experiences with one on it all.
Though still, it could use competition. Some of these locations are so bad/inefficient (and I know the mail has been losing money) that they really shouldn't continue on as is.
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2013 at 12:42
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Some people seem to be trying to make sure only ONE perspective of politics is being talked about around here.  Wink

On this forum I have mentioned a number of times some things that I felt were unbalanced - I have signed out Republicans, and in return people have said to me "well, plenty of Dems do that too."  But what if it weren't so balanced?  What if it could be scientifically proven that it is not balanced?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/conspiracy-theory-partisan-bias

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/


It's fun that you say science, then you provide those links.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 292293294295296 303>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.438 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.