Guns, mass shootings, and related.

By the way, slamming my quotes from people whose opinions I happen to agree with is no refutation of those opinions. You could bother to actually read them and then make your case against them...

I never have and I would say that there is a difference between killing and dying.

Slartibartfast wrote: By the way, slamming my quotes from people whose opinions I happen to agree with is no refutation of those opinions. You could bother to actually read them and then make your case against them...

My case against your entire "What to Do" article is that none of it will work.  For example:

No firearms in homes with people who would not pass a firearms purchase background check.

How do you regulate that?  Or this? 

No private sales of firearms.

Have any of you considered that a number of people in America and in adjacent countries want guns to be banned?  Doing so creates an underground market where illicit profit can be made.

Some people are against the legal market, but will foster illegal ones.

dtguitarfan wrote: JJLehto wrote: To be fair, the NRA usually halts their activity for like a day after these tragedies. They really let up for a while after this one, that should say something. Anywho, wanna point out that the NRA proposal to put an armed cop in every school has a real slippery slope to police state feel to it. I'd lol if the GOP supports it since they'd be supporting the police state they always pretend Obama has. I mean, we know the GOP wants a police state much as anyone so guess it's no shocker. Also, you know who else had armed guards at their school?  Columbine High School.

I've heard that a lot of schools with armed guards still have gun violence.
We all know the human spirit is a determined one. Good and bad.
Tell us not to, try to crack down but we always find a way.

In the end I'm not going to shoot any guntard for disagreeing with me...

Well that's exactly it, Dusty. Even if we got to the point of "OK we are banning guns" people still have the sh*t
You would need a Nazi like effort to get rid of them all. Also tight monitoring of the black market that would develop. It's fun for internet forum talk but in reality it's insane.

And it's that whole mentality of force we love.
I really see no appeal to guns, don't see why anyone in the US needs more than a few, and there's no need at all for uzis and ak 47s. That being said, I have no compulsion to force it on others.
Hey you! I don't like this, you do but f**k you, I want to impose my wants on your life. Again, I don't dwell on the crime aspect since I don't see gun laws really impacting that.


Edited by JJLehto - December 21 2012 at 21:57

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: The NRA enter the debate.  The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.         Or not allowing them to have access to guns in the first place.  But Americans love their killing machines way too much to give them up without a fight.  I personally have never understood the love some of us feel for machines designed solely for the purpose of killing, but oh well.  Like we don't allow them to have access to marijuana in the first place, right? "Not allow."  The pansy language of a politician who has no real power over criminal activity. I don't "love" guns.  I have one.  We've been robbed.  We live in a neighborhood where children have parents who teach them to steal.  I know this because I taught the cousin of the boy who robbed us.  He also (from his public record) has no regard for the livelihood of anybody. This black or white sh*t has to stop.  It isn't "America just loves guns!"  We have reasons for having them.  If you don't have one, and haven't needed one, then I am genuinely happy for you. But if the government passes a law that says I can't have a gun, what are they going to do to me if I do?  Hmm?

Let me ask you this Rob.  How does a gun protect you from being robbed?  The bad guy is always going to have one advantage over you that all the guns in the world are not going to protect against, and that's the element of surprise.  Unless you're always sitting with your gun cocked and ready and pointed at the spot the criminal will enter your house, the likelihood of you being able to get to your gun before the bad guy can harm you or your family is not very high.  A gun in the next room or three feet away will do you no good if you're not always on your guard.  Is that how you want to live your life?  It isn't how I want to live mine. 

And I've heard a lot of (not from you guys but from others) "If the gubment tries to take away my guns, their (sic) will be an even bigger blood bath".  If that ain't love, tell me what is love?


Edited by The Doctor - December 21 2012 at 22:27

Slartibartfast wrote: society in general did not buy the guns and killed people with them...

Well, why do most serial killers and mass murderers kill? Usually to get attention, or to make their mark/get revenge on society. We always make such big deals about these things. Yes, they are very tragic, horrible events, and it's fine to feel sad/mad and grieve, but News channels have 24 hour updates on these things, people keep talking about it for weeks after. People make films about serial killers. They're getting what they want. We're giving them what they want. If we made a smaller deal of it, ya know, make a news story or two, make a blog post, grieve for a bit, and move on. This won't completely stop shootings like this one, but they will certainly decrease I think.

I'll come around when it's safer.