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Hi Eric,
 
I deleted the bogus ratings and I regret to say that it was not in response to this thread or as a result of you removing your band from the archive, if I had been made aware of the problem sooner I may have acted sooner. If Iván informed another Admin of this probem I am not aware of it, unfortunately I missed the thread where he posted the two names that concerned him, but he never mentioned anything of your plight.
 
The process of removing the bogus ratings began a day or two before this thread was started in another thread and was instigated by members of other bands raising this issue. 
 
I do not remove ratings without strong evidence - I will not remove a member's ratings just because he gives 1-star and 5-star ratings, some people are naturally very polarised in their rating, that in itself is not evidence of abuse of the system. Yesterday I managed to collect enough good evidence that one or two people were using multiple accounts to post bogus ratings for me to act and promptly deleted them and suspended the fake accounts. The "troll" responsible returned twice yesterday and hit us again with 100s of bogus ratings - I caught him both times and deleted all the ratings - I cannot give guarantees that he will not return. 
 
It is regretable that you have chosen to have your band removed from the archive, but in all honesty I have to repeat what I have said before - there is nothing I can do to stop trolls from abusing the system - that's a simple fact of life, if someone wants to be an arsehole they will be an arsehole - all I can do is remove them once I can prove they are doing wrong.
 
I hope you do reconsider and allow Iván to add you back to the PA. Unfortunately we will not be able to recover any of the reviews your albums may have had - those are lost forever.
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 18:21
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:

We can discuss about this a long time, but I still regret M@x didn't reply and Iván wasn't taken seriously.
This is what Iván responded after we left PA: "your retirement gave me weapons to delete some of the trolls".
Trolls were removed after Iván started this thread.....
I repeat. You would have been better contacting Admin.  Your info is based  second hand on hearsay.  Trolls as  you call them have been removed  despite this thread.

I'm taking no credit Snow Dog, Erik must had misunderstood me, I'm trying to locate M@X for a long time, but my PMs and e-mails remain not replied, and honestly, this forum is not the friendliest place for me lately.

I don't delete bands or ratings, I told him that from the start.

The good thing is that a lot of trolls were deleted yesterday....Dean missed my post reporting those two trolls (It's normal, he had a huge list to work with) but now it's easier to deal with this guys.

Iván


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A asked Erik to addc LLP again,

There'0s a huge list of trolls that vanished, I believe there are moprev weapons nos.

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Points: 793 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 18:06
Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:








I am happy a lot of trolls were removed. I think it also might have affected other bands.
Erik - Life Line Project



It did...greatly affected my band's (Ocean Architecture) place in the rankings...not like it matters THAT much, but it's still upsetting when people mess with the system. After the trolls were deleted our score went from 3.6 something to 4.16
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Nonsense!!!
I read this discussion and think Prog Archives should have helped this band earlier. He asked a special collaborator for help.
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Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:

We can discuss about this a long time, but I still regret M@x didn't reply and Iván wasn't taken seriously.
This is what Iván responded after we left PA: "your retirement gave me weapons to delete some of the trolls".
Trolls were removed after Iván started this thread.....
I repeat. You would have been better contacting Admin.  Your info is based  second hand on hearsay.  Trolls as  you call them have been removed  despite this thread.


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We can discuss about this a long time, but I still regret M@x didn't reply and Iván wasn't taken seriously.
This is what Iván responded after we left PA: "your retirement gave me weapons to delete some of the trolls".
Trolls were removed after Iván started this thread.....
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Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:

Like I already wrote: I asked M@x for advice, but he did nothing.
And Iván contacted Admin, but their first response was that everything was hard to prove.
Only when we left PA Admin acted!!!!

But YOU did not contact Admin. And they  haven't acted since you left, they are always deleting  bogus ratings. IF THEY ARE REPORTED!
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Like I already wrote: I asked M@x for advice, but he did nothing.
And Iván contacted Admin, but their first response was that everything was hard to prove.
Only when we left PA Admin acted!!!!
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:54
Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:

I fortunately do.........Wink

Not  really.  You  would have  been better off informing Admin here. Then your problem could possibly have been sorted without your deletion. We'll never know now  and you lost out.
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I fortunately do.........Wink
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:45
I would send Max a long e-mail in French. But since I don't really know much French it would be kind of pointless.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:43
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:


Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:



Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.

 
I sent M@x a long mail (in French) reporting this problem on October 18, but he never sent a reply!! Last Wednesday I finally decided to leave PA and contacted M@x again.
The only response I got the next day is: "Will do right now. Done. Sorry about that."
Iván is the one that helped and supported us!!!
Erik - Life Line Project

Yeah. Your repeating yourself a bit here. 
Noe's not not not not not...
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:42
I just find it odd that trolls can drive off a band...
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Points: 56 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:39
Sorry about that.
PA reported an error on my reply.
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Originally posted by Life Line Project Life Line Project wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.
 
I sent M@x a long mail (in French) reporting this problem on October 18, but he never sent a reply!! Last Wednesday I finally decided to leave PA and contacted M@x again.
The only response I got the next day is: "Will do right now. Done. Sorry about that."
Iván is the one that helped and supported us!!!
Erik - Life Line Project

Yeah. Your repeating yourself a bit here. 
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Points: 56 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:35
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.
 
I sent M@x a long mail (in French) reporting this problem on October 18, but he never sent a reply!! Last Wednesday I finally decided to leave PA and contacted M@x again.
The only response I got the next day is: "Will do right now. Done. Sorry about that."
Iván is the one that helped and supported us!!!
Erik - Life Line Project
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2012 at 16:27
The more important question, Dean, is can you do a thing with the trolls?...

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I hope this discussion will help to improve the control of ratings on PA.
 
Erik - Life Line Project


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I am happy a lot of trolls were removed. I think it also might have affected other bands.
Erik - Life Line Project


Edited by Life Line Project - November 11 2012 at 16:37
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